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Hogan
03-13-2008, 03:52 AM
I will first say that I am honestly NOT a fan of Hillary Clinton and honestly feel that she will lead this country in a very bad direction.

As for the Hillary vs. Obama debate, Obama makes great motivational speaches but really doesn't but any substance behind what he's saying. Even their campaign slogans show what I'm talking about.

Obama "Change"
Hillary "Solutions for America"

Again, I am NOT a Hillary supporter but when I watched the last debate, while I didn't agree with her answers, at least when she was asked questions - she had answers with substance. She didn't just "I'll change this" and "America needs that", she said "I'll do this" and "I'll do that" and then gave plans of how to do those things.

Obama keeps saying great motivational stuff, I think he is an amazing speaker BUT you HAVE TO GIVE MORE THAN HOPE - you have to give answers as to how you are going to do what you say you want to do.

Hillary vs Obama? Not even close. I'd rather have SOLUTIONS than just hope.

preservanation
03-13-2008, 11:43 AM
If either of these socialists get a hold of our Health Care system, or even worse our energy industry, we will all suffer unfathomable horrors.

These boneheads can't even run their own primary process, and we want to hand over HC and energy to the same people?
How can Americans be so stupid and not even have a rudimentary understanding of our Bil of Rights, Constitution, Declaration of Independents, or the nature of liberals for that matter.
Scary shiit!

Elrathin
03-13-2008, 12:23 PM
I've noticed the trend that conservatives can only use fear mongering to try and sway elections. Sorry it won't work this time, the American People have woken up and they are tired of the Doom and Gloom that conservatives and Republicans give when this country has headed down in the toilet under a Republican Administration.

Conservatism has yet again been rejected (They have no conservative candidate), and soon so will a Republican Presidency.

4Reaganomics
03-13-2008, 03:22 PM
Early polls in PA, NJ, FL,MD and other important states have the republican party doing much better in terms of numbers than they did in 2004.

Tsky
03-13-2008, 05:22 PM
I'll say this about Hillary...her talk is a cheap as are Obama's speeches. She has NOTHING substantial to show for 35 years of experience and has even less proof that she actually has 35 years of experience. I'll take the candidate that ran on the same platform that Bill Clinton and JFK did, change. When all is said and done they turned out to be ok Presidents, at least they didn't the lead world into the damned toilet like Bush. So much for experience...

Elrathin
03-13-2008, 07:08 PM
Early polls in PA, NJ, FL,MD and other important states have the republican party doing much better in terms of numbers than they did in 2004.


As has been proven throughout each and every election, the only poll that really counts is the election.

Remember, Kerry was also projected to win months before the elections.

Wndrtch
03-13-2008, 07:22 PM
I'll say this about Hillary...her talk is a cheap as are Obama's speeches. She has NOTHING substantial to show for 35 years of experience and has even less proof that she actually has 35 years of experience. I'll take the candidate that ran on the same platform that Bill Clinton and JFK did, change. When all is said and done they turned out to be ok Presidents, at least they didn't the lead world into the damned toilet like Bush. So much for experience...


She has 35 years of experience at avoiding jail, and destroying her husband's lovers.

Elrathin
03-13-2008, 07:26 PM
For a woman with no experience as some people claim, Republicans sure can't get a Republican candidate to beat her in New York. That says volumes about Republicans lol.

Wndrtch
03-13-2008, 07:30 PM
For a woman with no experience as some people claim, Republicans sure can't get a Republican candidate to beat her in New York. That says volumes about Republicans lol.


Republicans have a hard time comming up with an elite snob to appeal to NY voters. :love:

Sorry, It's a Boston thing.

4Reaganomics
03-13-2008, 08:01 PM
Early polls in PA, NJ, FL,MD and other important states have the republican party doing much better in terms of numbers than they did in 2004.


As has been proven throughout each and every election, the only poll that really counts is the election.

Remember, Kerry was also projected to win months before the elections.


Well, I understand this. But isn't it strange that you are claiming that voters are becoming disenfranchised with Republican after George Bush, yet the current polls show something different than you are claiming?

preservanation
03-13-2008, 09:59 PM
I've noticed the trend that conservatives can only use fear mongering to try and sway elections.Can anyone say Red Phone?
C'mon El, you can't keep up this partisan rhetoric when examples of your accusations come directly from the liberal Dems.
It's right under you nose.

I think the trend you perceive is coming from the Hillary campaign.

Wndrtch
03-13-2008, 10:04 PM
I've noticed the trend that conservatives can only use fear mongering to try and sway elections.Can anyone say Red Phone?
C'mon El, you can't keep up this partisan rhetoric when examples of your accusations from the Dems are right under you nose.

I think the trend you perceive is coming from the Hillary campaign.


Fear mongering?

What the hell is Global Warming, except fear mongering. Tell little Sally that "Happy Feet" is going to die, unless she convinces her evil parents to buy $14 Mercury powder lightbulbs.

Give me a break, Libs are masters at fear mongering by far.

preservanation
03-13-2008, 11:25 PM
The examples of this are just to numerous to list here, Wndrtch!

Elrathin
03-13-2008, 11:28 PM
Desperation from conservatives is stinking that is for sure. Fear mongering IS the conservative way, that is FACT.

What color threat are we today for terrorism? Oh yeah they stopped that shit shortly after the 2004 elections. All fear mongering.

Hogan
03-14-2008, 03:17 AM
One thing I personally look for in GOOD DEBATE is at least be honest. "Fear mongering IS the conservative way, that is FACT." is nothing but BS. That is FACT - JUST AS IT WOULD BE IF I WERE TO SAY THAT IT WAS THE LIBERAL WAY.

Let's TRY and be honest people. TRUTH IS it is used on both sides, it may not be how we see it on our individual sides but it's there. I'm conservative BUT I can at least see what Liberals are saying/thinking when they talk about Conservatives when it comes to war and terrorism. I TOTALLY disagree with them BUT I can be HONEST and see where they are coming from.

As for the TOPIC, which I started, while I TOTALLY DISAGREE with Hillary when it comes to her SOLUTIONS (*I don't believe they are at all) BUT, again being HONEST, AT LEAST SHE'S GOT A PLAN THAT SHE'S WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE.

Obama say's "Love Happy Joy Joy" stuff and the crowds go wild. Again BEING HONEST, the man can speak! He's a GREAT communicator, I just totally disagree with what he is saying AND the fact that he offers so much talk of HOPE and CHANGE but no particular SOLUTIONS - Hillary at least TRYS.

nevadamedic
03-14-2008, 04:56 AM
I've noticed the trend that conservatives can only use fear mongering to try and sway elections.Can anyone say Red Phone?
C'mon El, you can't keep up this partisan rhetoric when examples of your accusations from the Dems are right under you nose.

I think the trend you perceive is coming from the Hillary campaign.


Fear mongering?

What the hell is Global Warming, except fear mongering. Tell little Sally that "Happy Feet" is going to die, unless she convinces her evil parents to buy $14 Mercury powder lightbulbs.

Give me a break, Libs are masters at fear mongering by far.


It's a myth designed to get Al Gore awards.

Pookie
03-14-2008, 08:38 AM
I think Hillary has a lot going for her, although she is not my first choice. I also think it's way too early to predict anything, and it is also my opinion that this election is totally fascinating!
It's really interesting to see all the candidates vying for office, and it ain't over yet!
Purrs,
Pookie

Wndrtch
03-14-2008, 04:17 PM
Desperation from conservatives is stinking that is for sure. Fear mongering IS the conservative way, that is FACT.

What color threat are we today for terrorism? Oh yeah they stopped that sh1t shortly after the 2004 elections. All fear mongering.


Fear mongoring is a tactic used by people who can't get their way, because they don't have any facts on their side. It is not indicative of Cons/Libs, Reps/Dems.

By the way, some fears ARE warrented, and if ignored, can be disasterous. Letting terrorist run around the globe unchecked, is a warrented fear.

nevadamedic
03-14-2008, 04:25 PM
I actually really want Hillary to get the nomination. Don't get me wrong, neither Clinton or Obambam will win the Presidency, but she is more qualified to be President. Also the things she doesn't know she has help from a former President right in the same room with her. You Liberal's need to realize that.

Wndrtch
03-14-2008, 06:03 PM
Also the things she doesn't know she has help from a former President right in the same room with her.

LOL!

Yeah, and when that phone rings at 3am, It'll be for him anyways. She'll be able to hand it over very quickly.

Interrested
03-15-2008, 12:05 AM
I will first say that I am honestly NOT a fan of Hillary Clinton and honestly feel that she will lead this country in a very bad direction.

As for the Hillary vs. Obama debate, Obama makes great motivational speaches but really doesn't but any substance behind what he's saying. Even their campaign slogans show what I'm talking about.

Obama "Change"
Hillary "Solutions for America"

Again, I am NOT a Hillary supporter but when I watched the last debate, while I didn't agree with her answers, at least when she was asked questions - she had answers with substance. She didn't just "I'll change this" and "America needs that", she said "I'll do this" and "I'll do that" and then gave plans of how to do those things.

Obama keeps saying great motivational stuff, I think he is an amazing speaker BUT you HAVE TO GIVE MORE THAN HOPE - you have to give answers as to how you are going to do what you say you want to do.

Hillary vs Obama? Not even close. I'd rather have SOLUTIONS than just hope.



I couldn't agree more. Obama's all talk, and his background is very controversial. If the media wasn't so liberal, his true story would've come out long ago. I'm not a Hillary supporter either, but at least I know what she stands for, and I don't have to worry about what type of decisions she'd make. I know what Hillary would do. Barack? He basically just copies her entire platform, and uses his amazing public speaking skills to sway thousands under his wing. The healthcare plan is essentially Hillary's with a few tweaks. The truth is, I don't trust Obama. I don't like the decisions Hillary would make, but at least I know what they are.

bishop
03-15-2008, 02:22 PM
i don't know what she stands for.. she used to be 100% for war with iraq, and when the polls turned south, suddenly she's 100% for withdrawal.. she's also been extremely hawkish on iran.. but somehow people suppose they know how this washington creature really thinks. someone who's been divorced from real america for several decades....

her "experience" is really chocked up to being the wife of a successful politician. she has literally no accomplishments to speak of, yet people somehow believe that she does (without actually knowing any of them offhand).

this is the fluff of american politics i suppose. perish the thought of substance..