McCain / Rice ticket? Ooo-La-la!

[Wndrtch]

This might be a long-shot, because Condi has already said she's not interested in elected office, but if it could be....


If McCain really wants to have it all—to refurbish his maverick image without having to flip-flop on the panderings that have tarnished it; to galvanize the attention of the press, the nation, and the world; to make a bold play for the center without seriously alienating “the base”—then he can avail himself of a highly interesting option: Condoleezza Rice.

To deal first with the obvious: Rice may be “only” the second woman and the second African-American to be Secretary of State, but she is indisputably the highest-ranking black female official ever to have served in any branch of the United States government. Her nomination to a constitutional executive office would cost McCain the votes of his party’s hardened racists and incorrigible misogynists. They are surely fewer in number, though, than the people who would like to participate in breaking the glass ceiling of race or gender but, given the choice, would rather do so in a more timid way, and/or without abandoning their party. And with Rice on the ticket the Republicans could attack Clinton or Obama with far less restraint.

By choosing Rice, McCain would shackle himself anew to Bush’s Iraq war. But it’s hard to see how those chains could get much tighter than he has already made them. Rice would fit nicely into McCain’s view of the war as worth fighting but, until Donald Rumsfeld’s exit from the Pentagon, fought clumsily. And it would be fairly easy to establish a story line that would cast Rice as having been less Bush’s enabler than a loyal subordinate who nevertheless pushed gently from within for a more reasonable, more diplomatic approach.

Rice is already fourth in line for the Presidency, and getting bumped up three places would be a shorter leap than any of the three Presidential candidates propose to make. It’s true that her record in office has been one of failure, from downgrading terrorism as a priority before 9/11 to ignoring the Israel-Palestine problem until (almost certainly) too late. But this does not seem to have done much damage to her popularity. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll taken when opposition to the Iraq war was approaching its height, she enjoyed a “favorable-unfavorable” rating of nearly two to one. The conservative rank and file likes her. Though she once described herself as “mildly pro-choice,” she is agile enough to complete the journey to mildly pro-life. And she is a preacher’s daughter.

Choosing Rice would be a trick. Her failures would be buried in an avalanche of positive publicity for a personal story as yet only vaguely known to the broad public. (One of the little girls who died in the 1963 Birmingham church bombing was her playmate? We didn’t know that!) But the trick would not be an entirely cynical one. Her ascension, though nowhere near as momentous a breakthrough as the election of Obama or Clinton, would be a breakthrough all the same. In this connection, a kind word for George W. Bush may be in order. By appointing first Colin Powell and then Rice to the most senior job in the Cabinet, a job of global scope, Bush changed the way millions of white Americans think about black public officials. This may turn out to the most positive legacy of his benighted Presidency.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/03/17/080317taco_talk_hertzberg

With Condi, McCain could address both the "black-thing" and the "Girl-thing" in one step.

Not to mention, she's more qualified to be President, than any of the hacks up there now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condi_Rice

[Cobra]

A winning ticket but not gona happen.

[Drocket]

This would be interesting. It would mostly cancel out the 'sexist/racist' aspect of the race (which I don't think is going to be quite as big of an effect as the media is going to make it out to be. The next 8 months of coverage is going to drive me insane, though.) Plus, we'd get to hear her explain again how a 'list of actionable items' isn't a plan.

I doubt it'll happen, though.

[Wndrtch]

This would be interesting. It would mostly cancel out the 'sexist/racist' aspect of the race (which I don't think is going to be quite as big of an effect as the media is going to make it out to be. The next 8 months of coverage is going to drive me insane, though.) Plus, we'd get to hear her explain again how a 'list of actionable items' isn't a plan.

I doubt it'll happen, though.


And, she's HOT!!

http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/Condoleezza%20Rice%20boots%202.jpg

[dgun]

Rice is one of the worst possible choices. McCain’s perceived closeness to the Bush administration is by far his worst political liability. Why in the world would McCain want to emphasize this?

BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president, at any time prior to August 6, of the existence of al Qaeda cells in the United States?

RICE: First, let me just make certain...

BEN-VENISTE: If you could just answer that question, because I only have a very limited...

RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but it's important...

BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president...

RICE: ... that I also address...
It's also important that, Commissioner, that I address the other issues that you have raised. So I will do it quickly, but if you'll just give me a moment.

BEN-VENISTE: Well, my only question to you is whether you...

RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but I will...

BEN-VENISTE: ... told the president.

RICE: If you'll just give me a moment, I will address fully the questions that you've asked.

First of all, yes, the August 6 PDB was in response to questions of the president -- and that since he asked that this be done. It was not a particular threat report. And there was historical information in there about various aspects of al Qaeda's operations.

Dick Clarke had told me, I think in a memorandum -- I remember it as being only a line or two -- that there were al Qaeda cells in the United States.

Now, the question is, what did we need to do about that?
And I also understood that that was what the FBI was doing, that the FBI was pursuing these al Qaeda cells. I believe in the August 6 memorandum it says that there were 70 full field investigations under way of these cells. And so there was no recommendation that we do something about this; the FBI was pursuing it. I really don't remember, Commissioner, whether I discussed this with the president.

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.

RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."
Now, the...

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.

RICE: No, Mr. Ben-Veniste...

BEN-VENISTE: I will get into the...

RICE: I would like to finish my point here.

BEN-VENISTE: I didn't know there was a point.

RICE: Given that -- you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.

BEN-VENISTE: I asked you what the title was.

[Buck Laser]

Condoleezza Rice? Architect of the most totally failed foreign policy in American history? That Rice? I'd say that would be a ticket to the most incredibly profound loss any political party has ever suffered in an election.

But go ahead and draft her. See how far it gets you.

[Osborn F. Enready]

How on EARTH is Condoleeza Rice, a benefit to McCain?

She has been a figurehead and target for the bulk of independent and democratic voters, as has McCain.

Sounds like a "more of the same" ticket to me, certainly as laughable as calling McCain a "non-establishment candidate" or a "maverick".

The only way McCain is a maverick, is that he is a currently active Republican at the National Level that has served in combat and paid the price of torture as a POW.

I hope she gets the nomination for VP, it would be a sure way to sink the McCain "BS Express".

McCain is another 4 years of Bush Jr., and Condis nomination would clearly solidify any skeptical persons view from that angle.

I have little to no respect for Condi....

[Wndrtch]

Rice is one of the worst possible choices. McCain’s perceived closeness to the Bush administration is by far his worst political liability. Why in the world would McCain want to emphasize this?

Because, she's HOT!

She also is the most qualified American to run the Office if needbe.

And, she's HOT. I'd put her ass against Hill's any day of the week.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Wndrtch said:
She also is the most qualified American to run the Office if needbe.

I have to ask what would qualify that opinion?!?

[Truth_and_Power]

How on EARTH is Condoleeza Rice, a benefit to McCain?

She has been a figurehead and target for the bulk of independent and democratic voters, as has McCain.

Sounds like a "more of the same" ticket to me, certainly as laughable as calling McCain a "non-establishment candidate" or a "maverick".

The only way McCain is a maverick, is that he is a currently active Republican at the National Level that has served in combat and paid the price of torture as a POW.

I hope she gets the nomination for VP, it would be a sure way to sink the McCain "BS Express".

McCain is another 4 years of Bush Jr., and Condis nomination would clearly solidify any skeptical persons view from that angle.

I have little to no respect for Condi....


You are still under the assumption that the issues are important. This is an american idol contest and condi is young, black, and female.. all the things mccain is not.

[PatrickHenry]

Geez, Wndrtch, you find her HOT?

I am old, but even I don't find her appealing.

Not that I would vote for a hottie for Veep anyhow.

But Rice is a reptile.

And a fully exposed liar.

McCain needs to do better than that used-up feminine napkin if he wants to win the White House.

[Pookie]

Note to self: Don't read Pat's posts while eating! Geez, Pat, that was one hell of a disturbing visual. LOL!

I don't think the McCain - Rice thing will happen, but it's certainly an intriguing idea.
Purrs,
Pookie

[Osborn F. Enready]

Truth and Power said:
You are still under the assumption that the issues are important. This is an american idol contest and condi is young, black, and female.. all the things mccain is not.

That is an honest answer, and in my opinion pretty much on target Truth and Power. Touche'....point taken.

Well said.... I forget the power of sheeple sometimes.

[Elrathin]

Good ole Buck Tooth Condi? Hell now I know the problems some conservatives have, they're BLIND lol.

[dgun]

And, she's HOT

That's your opinion. She would need several thousand dollars worth of dental work to fix that overbite before I could give her a passing grade on looks. On the plus side, if you ever needed to build a dam she would be a big help with those beaver teeth of hers.

Besides that, being hot does not qualify someone to be VP.

And the type of people who would vote for someone based on their hotness don't bother to vote anyway.

[4Reaganomics]

Condoleezza Rice? Architect of the most totally failed foreign policy in American history? That Rice? I'd say that would be a ticket to the most incredibly profound loss any political party has ever suffered in an election.

But go ahead and draft her. See how far it gets you.


It can't be worse than Mondale in 1984, I do not think we will ever see a particular party get crushed like that ever again. A testament to the greatness of Reagan

Condi is never going to be his running mate, so the speculation is a waste of time

I think it is down to Romney, Pawlenty, and Crist at this point. Lets see what happens

[nevadamedic]

This might be a long-shot, because Condi has already said she's not interested in elected office, but if it could be....


If McCain really wants to have it all—to refurbish his maverick image without having to flip-flop on the panderings that have tarnished it; to galvanize the attention of the press, the nation, and the world; to make a bold play for the center without seriously alienating “the base”—then he can avail himself of a highly interesting option: Condoleezza Rice.

To deal first with the obvious: Rice may be “only” the second woman and the second African-American to be Secretary of State, but she is indisputably the highest-ranking black female official ever to have served in any branch of the United States government. Her nomination to a constitutional executive office would cost McCain the votes of his party’s hardened racists and incorrigible misogynists. They are surely fewer in number, though, than the people who would like to participate in breaking the glass ceiling of race or gender but, given the choice, would rather do so in a more timid way, and/or without abandoning their party. And with Rice on the ticket the Republicans could attack Clinton or Obama with far less restraint.

By choosing Rice, McCain would shackle himself anew to Bush’s Iraq war. But it’s hard to see how those chains could get much tighter than he has already made them. Rice would fit nicely into McCain’s view of the war as worth fighting but, until Donald Rumsfeld’s exit from the Pentagon, fought clumsily. And it would be fairly easy to establish a story line that would cast Rice as having been less Bush’s enabler than a loyal subordinate who nevertheless pushed gently from within for a more reasonable, more diplomatic approach.

Rice is already fourth in line for the Presidency, and getting bumped up three places would be a shorter leap than any of the three Presidential candidates propose to make. It’s true that her record in office has been one of failure, from downgrading terrorism as a priority before 9/11 to ignoring the Israel-Palestine problem until (almost certainly) too late. But this does not seem to have done much damage to her popularity. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll taken when opposition to the Iraq war was approaching its height, she enjoyed a “favorable-unfavorable” rating of nearly two to one. The conservative rank and file likes her. Though she once described herself as “mildly pro-choice,” she is agile enough to complete the journey to mildly pro-life. And she is a preacher’s daughter.

Choosing Rice would be a trick. Her failures would be buried in an avalanche of positive publicity for a personal story as yet only vaguely known to the broad public. (One of the little girls who died in the 1963 Birmingham church bombing was her playmate? We didn’t know that!) But the trick would not be an entirely cynical one. Her ascension, though nowhere near as momentous a breakthrough as the election of Obama or Clinton, would be a breakthrough all the same. In this connection, a kind word for George W. Bush may be in order. By appointing first Colin Powell and then Rice to the most senior job in the Cabinet, a job of global scope, Bush changed the way millions of white Americans think about black public officials. This may turn out to the most positive legacy of his benighted Presidency.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/03/17/080317taco_talk_hertzberg

With Condi, McCain could address both the "black-thing" and the "Girl-thing" in one step.

Not to mention, she's more qualified to be President, than any of the hacks up there now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condi_Rice


Not going to happen at all. It would be a bad move IMO anyways.

[Wndrtch]

Good ole Buck Tooth Condi? Hell now I know the problems some conservatives have, they're BLIND lol.


We're just turned-on by powerful, accomplished women, not the fake-faminist types who wine about everything.

[dgun]

who wine about everything

A women's propensity to whine is unabated by any particular political affiliation.

[Wndrtch]

who wine about everything

A women's propensity to whine is unabated by any particular political affiliation.


Good point. I stand corrected.

However, you do have to admitt, that the feminist b1tching is a bit more shrill (Ann Coulter aside).

[Truth_and_Power]

On the plus side, if you ever needed to build a dam she would be a big help with those beaver teeth of hers.


Well, I'm sure the people of new orleans would appreciate having someone in office who could help with the levees..[hr]
And the type of people who would vote for someone based on their hotness don't bother to vote anyway.


Uh... remember the first clinton and how he drew female voters to his cause? I mean.. seriously, you're giving the average american voter way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way too much credit. Have you talked to some of these people? Your assertion here is that even though sex has been used to sell every other product ever invented, it will be an ineffective way to sell a presidential ticket?

[Wndrtch]

Geez, Wndrtch, you find her HOT?

I am old, but even I don't find her appealing.

Not that I would vote for a hottie for Veep anyhow.

But Rice is a reptile.

And a fully exposed liar.

McCain needs to do better than that used-up feminine napkin if he wants to win the White House.


Well I should admit, that I've been shut off for a while during my Wife's pregnancy, so that could explain things a bit.

...and who doesn't like to be lied to during sex?

"Oh...you're so big!"

"That was my best orgasm!"

"Of course I'll pull out."

"Your ass looks great from behind!"

[dgun]

Well, I'm sure the people of new orleans would appreciate having someone in office who could help with the levees..

lol.

Your assertion here is that even though sex has been used to sell every other product ever invented, it will be an ineffective way to sell a presidential ticket?

No. My assertion is that people who are shallow enough to primarily advocate for Condi Rice based on looks normally don't have it in them to bother to vote.

[cronic]

Well I should admit, that I've been shut off for a while during my Wife's pregnancy, so that could explain things a bit.

...and who doesn't like to be lied to during sex?

"Oh...you're so big!"

"That was my best orgasm!"

"Of course I'll pull out."

"Your ass looks great from behind!"


That could be it Wnd... If it gets to bad for ya.. Ill let ya borrow my girl.. she will tell you all them things if she thinks you are me
BAWHAHAHA