Someone explain this article to me Please???

[denny]

Can someone explain this article hillary clinton lost before she started (http://dirtyelection.com/alter-says-hillary-loses-obama-wins-nomination/clinton/)to me Why is Hillary not Quitting
This article really makes sense to me, and I think i am too thick to poke actual holes in it. I am sure that there is something flawed with his logic but i dont know enough. What do you guys think?

Enlighten me????

[4Reaganomics]

A pledged delegate lead or winning the pledged delegate doesn't insure the nomination due to superdelegates.

You see the Democratic party, the so called populist party, decided it would be a bright idea to have party insiders have the capability of determining election in back smoke rooms.

Thus, if Hillary gains momentum and the superdelegates she can still win the nomination. That is why she is still running.

[Drocket]

The article is pretty much correct - Clinton really has no shot at all at winning the presidential nomination. Its even a bit worse than the article makes it sound, as it was from before the results of this past Tuesday's primaries, and though Clinton did better than expected, she wasn't nearly as successful as his optimistic 'best case scenario' there. Even if Clinton had absolutely miraculous election results for the rest of the primary, she simply isn't going to be able to overtake Obama's delegate lead, and unless Obama has a 'dead girl/live boy' level scandal right before the convention, there's absolutely no way the superdelegates are going to overturn the delegate lead.

So, why hasn't Clinton dropped out, since she realistically has no chance of winning? Hard to say. Possibly she's hoping for the 'dead girl/live boy' scandal, even though its ridiculously unlikely. Possibly she's hoping to force Obama to take her as VP (though with the attacks she's launched against him, that seems unlikely.) Maybe she's just really pissed off about losing and has decided to screw everyone over, just for the hell of it...

[cronic]

Can someone explain this article hillary clinton lost before she started (http://dirtyelection.com/alter-says-hillary-loses-obama-wins-nomination/clinton/)to me Why is Hillary not Quitting
This article really makes sense to me, and I think i am too thick to poke actual holes in it. I am sure that there is something flawed with his logic but i dont know enough. What do you guys think?

Enlighten me????


The article itself is pretty self explanatory concerning the math of it all.
I don't like it either but I'd say he is probably right also in his opinion as to who will carry the ticket
But it still doesn't factor in with exact numbers...or all of the super delegate possibilities either..
his ramblings on, has holes in it, but not many

Why won't Hillary quit?
Because Hillary isn't a quitter!


Oh.. and Hillary and Obama will not run together.. People that keep sayin it are absurd for thinking it.. she would not be his vp.. and I'm certain she would never ask him to be her vp...

[Tsky]

She's still in it because she thinks she entitled to it. She was the 'inevitable' candidate, remember? The race was supposed to be over well before Super Tuesday I and low and behold we've already been through Super Tuesday II. Her pride is hurting. She takes issue with losing to what she perceives to be an inferior candidate and I really think she thinks he is an inferior person. Barack Obama, as green as he is, has done nothing to deserve the 'kitchen sink' tactics that Clinton is using. Furthermore, her attacks are alienating her from people who support Obama . They overwhelmingly state that they will stay at home or vote for McCain if she is the nominee. The American public has overwhelmingly chosen Obama as their choice but Clinton does not care about the will of the people. She says Ohio has already picked the next President as if the other states do not matter. She agreed to the rules concerning Florida and Michigan and now she is trying to change the rules by stating the voters in those cities are being disenfranchised. That's a good way to build up confidence in the Democratic party and the democratic process, right? Not really. It seems she does not care that her antics are dividing the party and making things easier for McCain, as a matter of fact it almost seems she is an agent for McCain and the GOP, hell bent on doing everything possible to taint Obama and make it more difficult for him to win the election since it is clear that he is the likely nominee. The race for Clinton is not about uniting the country or the party, it's about getting even. She will not win the nomination with kitchen sink tactics, Obama is smarter than she is and that will become more and more evident as this campaign progresses.

[AlanC]

It's politics. The fact is that she is less than 100 delegates behind Obama. As it stands now, neither of them will have enough delegates to guarantee a convention win. Also in the background is Edwards who has not released his pledged delegates unless I missed something. He may have enough to decide the winner himself. That leaves him free to work with either candidate for awhile.

The DNC would like to declare this race over so they can focus on the Republicans, but I don't see that happening. Neither of these candidates will concede anything unless the other wins enough to take the nomination before the convention.

Brokered conventions can be very tricky and sometimes in the past, they have yielded some surprising results.

With the Clintons, nothing is ever over before the last round is played. Power is their common bond and they will never give it up voluntarily. It will have to be taken from them in no uncertain terms. Expect them to do the selfish thing, never the right thing.

[Wndrtch]

It seems she does not care that her antics are dividing the party and making things easier for McCain, as a matter of fact it almost seems she is an agent for McCain and the GOP, hell bent on doing everything possible to taint Obama and make it more difficult for him to win the election since it is clear that he is the likely nominee.


Hillary ain't dumb. If she feels that she cannot overcome Obama, she will position things to allow her to run again in four years, which mean a McCain victory.

Of course, she could run as VP, and have him X'd off.

Not that she would. It's just a possibility, that's all.

[AlanC]

Hillary played second fiddle to Bill's sax for 8 long years. I don't see her volunteering to do that with Obama.

[Wndrtch]

Hillary played second fiddle to Bill's sax for 8 long years. I don't see her volunteering to do that with Obama.


..."with" Obama, or "to" Obama?

[AlanC]

"to" would be more correct, yes.

[Tsky]

It seems she does not care that her antics are dividing the party and making things easier for McCain, as a matter of fact it almost seems she is an agent for McCain and the GOP, hell bent on doing everything possible to taint Obama and make it more difficult for him to win the election since it is clear that he is the likely nominee.


Hillary ain't dumb. If she feels that she cannot overcome Obama, she will position things to allow her to run again in four years, which mean a McCain victory.

Of course, she could run as VP, and have him X'd off.

Not that she would. It's just a possibility, that's all.


Hillary is not smart, she is counting on the American people to still be as stupid 4 years from now as they are today. If she succeeds in ousting Obama we already know McCain will win and HRC is mentally ill if she believes Obama won't run against her in 2012. Her tactics during her campaign have ensured that she will NEVER be President. I'm sure she knows that but her thirst for power is too much to make her quit. If she has to go down she plans to take the Democratic party with and then depend on the unread and ordinary not to know any better and still believe she is a good for the American people.

Bill looks like St. Peter compared to this woman.

[cronic]

They overwhelmingly state that they will stay at home or vote for McCain if she is the nominee.


Really?..
people say the same thing about Obama..


The American public has overwhelmingly chosen Obama as their choice but Clinton does not care about the will of the people.

Overwhelmingly? How do you figure?
Barack Obama has a lead of 144 pledged delegates.
IMO That's not overwhelmingly in my book.


If she succeeds in ousting Obama we already know McCain will win

We all don't know that.. atleast I don't
judging by polls thats not the case either
http://www.derekkline.com/dkpix/finalclintmccain
LINK (http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-clinton-276-mccain-262/)