The Clinton Obama Drama

[suedanim]

I seriously do not want to see this fight for the nomination continue. With her wins in TX and Ohio she's got all cocky again. As my enthusiasm has risen for Obama, my dislike for Hillary has risen along with it. STILL... either will get my vote for President and I am confident that either will run this country with integrity, honor and COMPETENCY, somethng I am convinced will not happen with John McCain.

But, check this out....

Now she hints at a shared ticket? I ain't wit it frankly.. Hillary has Iraq baggage and a vision deficit I'm just not on board with and I cannot picture Obama in second slot. Can you imagine the Driving Miss Daisy jokes? Its a given and I doubt Obama is going to allow that to happen either.

Clinton hails 3 wins; Obama downplays losses (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23480254/)

After big night, ex-first lady leaves door open to sharing ticket with rival

MSNBC staff and news service reports
updated 28 minutes ago


WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton scored three victories in a night of revival that denied Barack Obama a ripe opportunity to drive her from the Democratic presidential race. Clarity came only to the Republican side, where John McCain made the nomination his own.

Meanwhile, Clinton, fresh off big primary victories, hinted Wednesday at the possibility of sharing the Democratic presidential ticket with Obama — with her at the top. Obama played down his losses, stressing that he still holds the lead in number of delegates.
In a night that failed to clarify the Democratic race, John McCain clinched the Republican nomination. Clinton won primaries in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, halting Obama's winning streak. Obama won in Vermont.

Both Democrats insisted on Wednesday they had the best credentials to go head to head — or as Clinton put it "toe to toe" — against McCain.

Asked on CBS's "The Early Show" whether she and Obama should be on the same ticket, Clinton said: "That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."
Later on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Clinton noted that both candidates have been asked this question many times. "Obviously it's premature for either of us to address it but you know there's a lot of interest in that.

"Many Democrats are hoping for that. We have to sort through this nominating process to see who ends up as the nominee but we're going to put together a winning ticket. The most important thing is to win in November."

(excerpted)

[lily]

Sue, I think she's just using this becasue she's so desperate to get back in the White House......I don't think it'll ever happen. I also hate to see this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23486748/) coming.

STILL... either will get my vote for President and I am confident that either will run this country with integrity, honor and COMPETENCY, somethng I am convinced will not happen with John McCain.

I wish I shared your faith in her.

[Alonzo]

Well lily Obama is going to attack her and beat her at her own game. Hillary, on the other hand, will destroy Obama if he actually tries to compete with her at her own game.

If Obama wants to make this about substance or about discrediting Hillary, he'll lose. If he wants to keep his campaign focused on vague promises of change, soaring speeches, and about how he's the magic man that will make everyones problems disappear, then Hillary will lose.

[lily]

Sure......burst my bubble, Zo! I said I would vote for Obama if he didn't do any negative ads.......so far I'm safe. Fending off attacks isn't an ad.:nana:

[Pookie]

Well, I'm still holding out for Obama, but a shared ticket?
Oh my God. I don't really see that happening, but weirder things have happened and this isn't over by far yet.
Does anyone really think this will happen?
Purrs,
Pookie

[PostmodernProphet]

Six months ago I thought it was the most likely scenario.....unfortunately for the Democrats, Obama did so well in the primaries that if they try it now it will smell like the back of the bus. That will not sit well with many potential voters.....

without a shared ticket, Clinton has no chance of election, but she will never quit....brokered conventions will not solve the problem of Hillary holed up in the convention center with a suicide belt demanding the nomination "if you ever want to see these superdelegates again!".....{not that I think she would actually WEAR the suicide belt......she would strap it on Bill}........

[brien]

The fight will go on to Denver because Obama has the popular vote and Hillary can tilt the Super Delegates in the back rooms where she and Bill get it done. Obama is still young enough to go back to the Senate and try again after 8 more years of Hillary & Billary.

[AlanC]

I like this article by Peggy Noonan. If you read the last paragraph, she makes Hillary sound like the terminator...The sad part is, it would be hard to call it an exaggeration.

I end with a deadly, deadpan prediction from Christopher Hitchens. Hillary is the next president, he told radio's Hugh Hewitt, because, "there's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power . . . people who don't want the meeting to end, the people who just are unstoppable, who only have one focus, no humanity, no character, nothing but the worship of money and power. They win in the end."

It was like Claude Rains summing up the meaning of everything in the film "Lawrence of Arabia": "One of them's mad and the other is wholly unscrupulous." It's the moment when you realize you just heard the truth, the meaning underlying all the drama. "They win in the end." Gave me a shudder.

Link to full article. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120485348696518343.html?mod=todays_columnists)

[potter]

STILL... either will get my vote for President and I am confident that either will run this country with integrity, honor and COMPETENCY, somethng I am convinced will not happen with John McCain.

I wish I shared your faith in her.


I agree Lily. If it comes down to a Hillary/McCain race I'll have to sit this one out. I don't do that "lessor of two evils" shit no more.

I think it says a lot about the American people that they accept a two party system that does everything in it's collective power to keep independent candidates from running thus stifling true democracy, and even more telling is the penchant of the American people to label candidates who speak the hard truth to be labelled as "nuts"

[BillyPilgrim]

We could be watching the Democratic party in full meltdown with the super delegate situation. I'ma just kick back, have a beer, and cheer it on.

[Scribbler1]

It seems to me this "drama" is a lot more popular with the idiot sheep than it is on these forums. According to a number of political observers and my own little network of friends and acquaintances this is the subject of much conversation all around the country.

It may make people HERE sick, but out there it's like a football game with the score almost tied from halftime on.

[lily]

I agree Lily. If it comes down to a Hillary/McCain race I'll have to sit this one out. I don't do that "lessor of two evils" sh1t no more.


Potter........I just had a noid moment.:madlaugh:

[preservanation]

Well lily Obama is going to attack her and beat her at her own game. Hillary, on the other hand, will destroy Obama if he actually tries to compete with her at her own game.

If Obama wants to make this about substance or about discrediting Hillary, he'll lose. If he wants to keep his campaign focused on vague promises of change, soaring speeches, and about how he's the magic man that will make everyones problems disappear, then Hillary will lose.
I think you're absolutely right Zo.
I see Hillary trying to drag Obama down to her level...especially recently.
It's going to be hard for him not to follow her there. She's a lot more skilled in the mud than he is.
If he engages in her knife fight, she will carve him up like the Christmas goose. If he stays above it all, like you suggest he can win.
Unfortunately, for some (heh), no matter how this turn out 50% of the Dems will feel cheated.
A dual ticket would be the obvious solution, but that has problems. Who takes the bottom bunk? Hillary?
Also, I think the wounds will be so deep by the time this is all over that they won't be able to stand to be in the same room.
AND...don't forget the Bill factor. Can you imagine him as the VP's spouse??? Man what a White House that would be.

If Obama gets the nomination, I could see Hillary sabotageing him so she could run against McCain in 2012.

How about this...oh, never mind I'm tired of spinning scenarios.

[Scribbler1]

I'm not so sure "staying above it all" will work for Obama. It seems to me that this tactic would just allow the Clinton campaign to attack him with impunity, and if he doesn't fight back with the same ferocity, some of those attacks will stick. Look how many people STILL believe the guy is Muslim.

[cronic]

If Obama gets the nomination, I could see Hillary sabotageing him so she could run against McCain in 2012.



I'm not sure McCain will be around in 2012.. isn't he like old as dirt already?

[Scribbler1]

Yeah, but dirt lasts forever.

[cronic]

Yeah, but dirt lasts forever.


ya.. Guess that explains bush aye?

[preservanation]

If Obama gets the nomination, I could see Hillary sabotageing him so she could run against McCain in 2012.



I'm not sure McCain will be around in 2012.. isn't he like old as dirt already?
Either way, there will be an incumbent Republican running.
If Obama runs as the Dem incumbent in 2012, the DNC nor the voters will allow Hillary to run against him. That's just simple political etiquette. I know it's the Clintons and they have little regard for such things, but I think she knows this is a reality.
If Hillary ever wants to inhabit the WH in the future, she will have to root for McCain if she loses the nomination.

[Pookie]

Um, Pres, the VP does not inhabit the White House. Please check the facts:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/life/vpresidence.html

Purrs,
Pookie

[preservanation]

Um, Pres, the VP does not inhabit the White House. Please check the facts:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/life/vpresidence.html

Purrs,
Pookie
After all that you cherry pick this?AND...don't forget the Bill factor. Can you imagine him as the VP's spouse??? Man what a White House that would be.I was refering to the admin, not the physical residence...sheeeeez.

[4Reaganomics]

I think most of us understand that when referring to "a white house" one is referring to the administration that will run the federal government, and not 1600 Pennsylvania avenue

[preservanation]

I think most of us understand that when referring to "a white house" one is referring to the administration that will run the federal government, and not 1600 Pennsylvania avenue

Thank you sir.
She's just being a nit-picker.
Nit-picking on poor besieged *preserva*.
I forgive her due to my magnanimous nature and the fact that I have a heart as big as all outdoors.