Is she making an ass of herself?

[Mia]

I'm watching tonight's debates - her picking apart of Obama's words is getting ridiculous. Renounce is not good enough? He has to reject?

Oh my, I hope her campaign people can come up with some things better than this.

Otherwise (ViolaLee, you will be so excited!) I am turning toward Obama as my lesser of evils this go-around.

[preservanation]

Is she making an ass of herself?
Well, they say that married couples tend to resemble each other after a while...

[Wndrtch]

I'm watching tonight's debates - her picking apart of Obama's words is getting ridiculous. Renounce is not good enough? He has to reject?

Oh my, I hope her campaign people can come up with some things better than this.

Otherwise (ViolaLee, you will be so excited!) I am turning toward Obama as my lesser of evils this go-around.


...and what was all that wining about being asked the first question? She wants to go head-to-head with people like Ahmedinijad, and she's complaining about the questioning order? At least Obama admits openly that he will just lie-down to our enemies, but Hillary has positioned herself as a tough bitch, which was hard to believe after listening to her cry all night.

Maybe they need to schedule her next debate around "her time of the month". Then maybe she'll come out like a tiger instead of a little girl.

[4Reaganomics]

I'm pretty sure she doesn't get "that time of the month" anymore. However, I'm sure Bill still has quite a few pregnancy scares.

[Wndrtch]

I'm pretty sure she doesn't get "that time of the month" anymore. However, I'm sure Bill still has quite a few pregnancy scares.


LMAO :madlaugh:

Oh yeah, thats right! That stops for a woman at a certain age, doesn't it. But don't hot-flashes turn a woman's attitude south for a while?

Maybe she needs to get Rosie O on her side, to help her tap into her inner beast.

[4Reaganomics]

Hillary is going to go Rosie at the convention, at least I hope so.

[Wndrtch]

Hillary is going to go Rosie at the convention, at least I hope so.


Wouldn't you kill for a front-row seat to THAT convention!

WoW! The fireworks are going to be spectacular!

What do you think "Team Clinton" will offer the delegates to abandon Obama?

[preservanation]

What do you think "Team Clinton" will offer the delegates to abandon Obama? Eternal life.
If they refuse, not so much...

[bishop]

nice to see clinton self-destructing. despite the fact that america will be "blessed" with another deficit spending suit in the white house, at least it won't be hillary.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Mia, why on earth would you vote for Obama over Hillary, or Hillary over Obama?

What does EITHER say about your individual rights?

[Elrathin]

What does EITHER say about your individual rights?


And what candidate are you voting for that is for individual rights? Both Ron Paul ( in at least saying the states should have the right to descriminate) and McCain are against gay marriage being legal, which is an individual right, that they love to deny people.

Oh I forgot, you must only be for rights YOU deem acceptable right?

[PostmodernProphet]

What do you think "Team Clinton" will offer the delegates to abandon Obama?


they were going to go with 72 virgins, but Bill kept screwing things up.....

[preservanation]

What do you think "Team Clinton" will offer the delegates to abandon Obama?


they were going to go with 72 virgins, but Bill kept screwing things up.....
I think they're down to four, now.
Better hurry...

[Elrathin]

They could offer little boys, but that has always been the conservative thing to do with priests and all.

[Pookie]

72 virgins....LMAO!
Back to the topic, yes, she is making an ass of herself, I think, especially with that Obama pic of him in Africa.
Just my opinion, though.
Purrs,
Pookie

[micfranklin]

Like I've said earlier it's out of desperation and fear-mongering.

[Mia]

Mia, why on earth would you vote for Obama over Hillary, or Hillary over Obama?

What does EITHER say about your individual rights?


I don't want to vote for either of them, but I don't want McCain!

The only thing I care about right now is who can win against him - I sided with Clinton for this reason.

But she's unraveling at the seams.

[cronic]

Sounds to me like Obama made an ass out of himself at the debates.... My friends and their parents went to the Cleveland Ohio debates.. and they "were backers" of Obama..( despite all I have tried to explain to them.) its always been there opinion that .. they thought he was just a little better of a candidate...now they tell me they feel alot different and how one can see so much more in person then what the tv shows.. So, my suspicions were confirmed.. I told them before they went.. watch Obama and watch his attitude. Be objective and let me know when you get home, how you felt about the debates and how they conducted themselves... . they didn't make it back.. they had to call me from the road... They told me.. every time Clinton spoke.. he was sticking his nose in the air.. they said they felt as if he was portraying himself as better then everyone else there..uppity as a matter of fact...they said they felt his arrogance in the air and the longer they was there the more they began leaning towards Clinton and not liking Obama.. they said they lost count of how many times he rolled his eyes behind the camera...Yep.. looks like Obama just lost 4 more votes..

[Mia]

Well, I'm not saying they are wrong, but I didn't notice this myself. I think Clinton is better qualified. But she's not acting like it right now. I think she has never gotten over how Obama came out of left field. I think she went into this campaign with an arrogance, and she has never gotten her footing back. I was more focused on her blunders than his.

She has several good points, but she doesn't seem to get them across well. It comes out as bashing when she could just word it a bit differently and get a better reaction.

[preservanation]

I think everybody agrees Hillary is more qualified, the thing is that nobody cares.
They like Obama, they don't like Hillary.
This just must be killing her.
Life isn't fair, but karma is a whole nother thing entirely.

[bishop]

neither of the 3 leading candidates are qualified.. or if they somehow are, i'd like someone to explain to me what is required to be "qualified" for the job...

hillary has always been a "love her or hate her" political personality. seems that some people have forgotten that simple truth. the fact that women aren't steadfastly supporting her candidacy confirms the views of every woman in my life, none of which support her.

seeing how she behaves when she so easily loses her cool is definitely not the calm and collective demeanor i'd expect in a president.

[Wndrtch]

What do you think "Team Clinton" will offer the delegates to abandon Obama?


they were going to go with 72 virgins, but Bill kept screwing things up.....


LMAORH!!! :madlaugh::clapper:

I wish I could come up with something to respond back with, but I can't!

Good Form!

[Mia]

I think everybody agrees Hillary is more qualified, the thing is that nobody cares.
They like Obama, they don't like Hillary.
This just must be killing her.
Life isn't fair, but karma is a whole nother thing entirely.


So true - I don't know what she can do about a public that votes on who they like as a personality rather than who is better fit for the job - but she ought to do better than she is![hr]

seeing how she behaves when she so easily loses her cool is definitely not the calm and collective demeanor i'd expect in a president.


I agree - and that's one area Obama has her on!

He is cool as a cat ;-)

[Lucky13]

But she's unraveling at the seams.
That's an understatement.
When I heard the whine about "why do I always get the first question?", I nearly choked.
Are you friggin kidding me?
The first realistic woman candidate whines about THAT?

Personally, I think Hillary is very intelligent and would have made a good President....in another time.
Her time has passed and electing her would continue to polarize the nation. Bush has done a marvelous job of polarizing this country and frankly, I think people are just more than weary of the bs.

As far as experience....look at the guys who supposedly had experience and where that got us.

The more I see of Hillary, the more I am shaking my head. Her campaign handlers have really given her some bad advice. I just hope to hell Obama doesn't pick her for a running mate.

pat

[Tsky]

Hillary's campaign has been so shoddy that it almost seems as if she is intentionly throwing her campaign. I cannot believe she got on national Tv and complained about getting the 1st question and complained about unfair treatment. Unfair? Really? If she had beaten Obama in the last 11 contests in a row the media would be telling him to take his black a$$ home and let Clinton get the nomination! This woman has squandered double digit leads in nearly all states, had to loan herself money, has had multiple temper tantrums, is losing pledged delegates, had to rearrangerher staff, deliberately ignored several states, didn't thank the voters in states she didn't win, disenfrachised the black vote, exercised Rovanian type tactics via campaign ads and photo releases and has shown at least 6 different personality types during this campaign. She can't manage her emotions or her campaign but because her name is Clinton and she has been around the block she should be elected? Hardly! She has also shown that she is very polarizing and does not have the abilty to be a uniter. No thank you Hillary.

The media has no choice but to embrace Obama since he is winning votes from people of all races and at the same time outsmarting and out campaigning the candidate who was supposed to be inevitable. She has given them plenty of reasons to give her a hard time and yet they haven't been as hard on her as they could be. They are not showing favoritism they are calling it as it is. Sure there could be some tougher questions asked of Obama but the man is pretty squeaky clean compared to Clinton who has had her hands in some filthy crap. Obama really could lambast her but he has chosen to be very dignified in his approach to the skeletons Clinton has in her closet. No matter how she tries to bait him into revealing the long list of dirt about her past, he continues to focus on the present. She could learn a thing or two from the youngster.

[preservanation]

Great post, Tsky!

A lot of the punditry were screaming at Obama to "lambaste" Hilary earlier on, but he didn't. Just kept his chin high, looked confidant and spoke about a bright future, as well as a past, where mistakes were made. (mostly by Hillary apparently)
Of course the same people are now praising him for a brilliant campaign.
At least the press is consistent...wrong.

[Buck Laser]

Hillary's campaign has been so shoddy that it almost seems as if she is intentionly throwing her campaign.

<snippage>

I really don't think Hillary is altogether to blame for her failing campaign. What I think is that she's come up against the perfect campaigner. It doesn't matter what your views are here: what matters is that Obama is the best campaigner I've seen in a life that goes back to FDR days.

I've seen people complain about the "Obama mystique," about his middle name, his policies, about just about everything. Yet he keeps on gaining ground. That's not necessarily a failure of the Clinton campaign, but a testimony to Obama's complete mastery of the art of campaigning.

I committed to Obama a little over a year ago, back when he first came to Austin. I was already reading his book, The Audacity of Hope at the time, so I had a pretty good grasp of the issues he was raising.

No one can know with any certainty who will make the best president of the three candidates remaining in the race today. One of the things I've learned in spending a few years hanging around is that everybody screws up. Everybody. Jesus's mom complained that he didn't call often enough. If Obama gets elected, he will screw up, too. I just believe that his screwups are likely to be less disastrous than either Clinton's or McCain's.

[Mia]

Here's the thing, though. No matter how much she is annoying me against Obama - she is the only one with a chance against McCain.

The Reps are LOVING him gaining ground because they can beat him. Dems need to be smart if they want in the WH.

[Pookie]

Wow, what Buck said is right. No one is perfect, and it will be interesting to see as the election year goes on how everything about the candidates goes.
So far, it's been a wild ride!
Purrs,
Pookie

[underdawg]

How does Hillary have so much experience? Bill Clinton's term does not count. If I was married to a doctor or lawyer, people would realize that their schooling does not rub off on you just because you happen to sleep together.

I am not pleased with Hillary's fear mongering commercial. I think this is an all time low and not she seems to be acting like a neocon. Shame on Hillary for playing the fear card. I think it is an act of desperation.

[Buck Laser]

Here's the thing, though. No matter how much she is annoying me against Obama - she is the only one with a chance against McCain.

The Reps are LOVING him gaining ground because they can beat him. Dems need to be smart if they want in the WH.

You must be reading different sources than I am, Mia. For the last 18 months all I've seen is the GOP working itself into shivers of anticipation at the prospect of having Senator Clinton as the democratic nominee. She has higher built-in negatives than any candidate on the scene.

With Obama, the democrats have someone who's a perfect campaigner--able to think on his feet, unflappable, self-effacing and confident at the same time. And he's utterly transcended the race issue.

I like Senator Clinton's ideas, and I think she'd make a good president. If she gets the nomination, I'll support her enthusiastically. But I've been watching politics since I was 10 years old, and FDR was in office. Never in all those years have I seen a candidate with the potential to transform the US in the way that FDR did, not even JFK.

It's interesting how two different sets of eyes can see the same situation so utterly differently.

[preservanation]

It's interesting how two different sets of eyes can see the same situation so utterly differently.
That's the understatement of the year.

[PostmodernProphet]

You must be reading different sources than I am, Mia. For the last 18 months all I've seen is the GOP working itself into shivers of anticipation at the prospect of having Senator Clinton as the democratic nominee. She has higher built-in negatives than any candidate on the scene.

With Obama, the democrats have someone who's a perfect campaigner--able to think on his feet, unflappable, self-effacing and confident at the same time. And he's utterly transcended the race issue.

with a well handled campaign McCain could beat either one of them.....

Hillary can be beaten with a nonstop litany of "do we really want eight more years of Clinton", because a popular majority do not.....

Obama would be more complicated....despite what he can transcend, race will operate against him.....I think a lot of blue collar white Democrats will stay home before the vote for a black man.....if I were McCain I would play on the effort to parallel Obama with JFK....."an inexperienced Democratic Senator who gave us the Bay of Pigs Invasion and the Vietnam War.....is that really what you are looking for?.....who spent all our money on going to the moon while people were starving here?...is that really what you are looking for?.......whose foreign policy inexperience brought us to the very brink of nuclear annihilation over Cuban missiles?...is that really what you are looking for?.......experience DOES teach us something.......it teaches us we need a president with experience".....

[preservanation]

We had the inevitable Hillary, the magnanimous, the victim, the tough, the soft, the shrill, the attack-dog, and the theatrical Hillary.
Why not the "ass" Hillary?
It is getting late in the game, gotta try anything.[hr]IMO, getting the "ass" demographic could put her over the top.
I think it's the largest constituency in the Dem party.

[AnnEsthesia]

No, P. You are thinking of Neo-Cons.

[lily]

Obama would be more complicated....despite what he can transcend, race will operate against him.....I think a lot of blue collar white Democrats will stay home before the vote for a black man.....


I can't resist.....you live on the wrong side of the state, prophet.:nana:

......as for blue collor people not voting for him, well Democrats are coming out in record numbers to vote and since he's won the last 11 primaries it seems it's Obama they've voting for.

if I were McCain I would play on the effort to parallel Obama with JFK....."an inexperienced Democratic Senator who gave us the Bay of Pigs Invasion and the Vietnam War.....is that really what you are looking for?.....who spent all our money on going to the moon while people were starving here?...is that really what you are looking for?.......whose foreign policy inexperience brought us to the very brink of nuclear annihilation over Cuban missiles?...is that really what you are looking for?.......experience DOES teach us something.......it teaches us we need a president with experience".....

Bad choice. People aren't going to think that there were starving people when Kennedy had his dream to go to the moon......I don't remember starving, I remember thinking WOW! Can we really do that?

They are also not going to remember the Cuban missle crisis like you do, they're going to remember that by patiently waiting for it to pass, he won. That one picture of him in I think it was the oval office...with the great lighting, flash that and you're we were close to nuclear annihilation goes out the window. It showed, strenght, resolve, concern and well for lack of a better word.........Presidential

Obama's going to be showing Caroline (I don't think too much Teddy) standing by his side and people are going to remember better times. One better only hope they remeber Jack.......because if they start remembering Jackie or both of them together......then it's going to be all over.

They are going to remember Camelot with him, his beautiful wife and two small children and wish that the times were that carefree. It's going to remind some of us old folks of his assination and as glib as it might sound........his assination will say this is America, that is patriotic, that was a tragedy and nothing brings in more emotions and makes you want to get out and vote, than what I mentioned........so if they do use it, we'll find out which one of us was right........can you remember, 'cuz I know I won't.

[preservanation]

"Obama is going door to door in Ohio trying to find undecided voters.
Hillary is going door to door trying to find Bill."
-Frank Luntz

[preservanation]

Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years. Central to Mrs Clinton’s claim of an important Northern Ireland role is a meeting she attended in Belfast in with a group of women from cross-community groups. "I actually went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did," she said in Nashua, New Hampshire on January 6th.

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.
There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

Could this be considered a lie?
Well, with respect to the extent of the Clinton Whoppers, probably not.
Everything is relative...

[PostmodernProphet]

I can't resist.....you live on the wrong side of the state, prophet.

oh heavens no....I don't even like to VISIT the eastern half of the state....I would rather go to Chicago....[hr]Bad choice. People aren't going to think that there were starving people when Kennedy had his dream to go to the moon......I don't remember starving, I remember thinking WOW! Can we really do that?

then why did LBJ have to create the welfare state?

[AlanC]

then why did LBJ have to create the welfare state?

He didn't, that is the cruel irony of it all.

[cronic]

"Obama is going door to door in Ohio trying to find undecided voters.
Hillary is going door to door trying to find Bill."
-Frank Luntz


I hope he comes to my door!!