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Cobra
02-18-2008, 10:05 PM
So she had no pride in this country till her husband started getting public support in his bid to be president........:ponder:

Hows this for some mudslingin. :evil::grrrr:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/pride_in_the_na.html

MILWAUKEE -- So what did Michelle Obama think of the United States before her husband decided he wanted to run the place?

“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”

ViolaLee
02-18-2008, 10:12 PM
How about giving us more of the speech so we don't have to wonder, she can explain it, as I'm sure she did, in her speech.[hr]Oh here we go, an easy search for the whole quote:

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=49244

I love the smear campaigns. They are all so moronic. So easily rebuffed by thinking people. [hr]
So she had no pride in this country till her husband started getting public support in his bid to be president........:ponder:

Hows this for some mudslingin. :evil::grrrr:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/pride_in_the_na.html

MILWAUKEE -- So what did Michelle Obama think of the United States before her husband decided he wanted to run the place?

“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”
Interesting isn't it, how your smear campaign source left out the word "really" to make it seem like she said something other than what she meant.

Do these liars who make this shit up really think the rest of us are stupid enough to fall for it?

Pookie
02-18-2008, 10:17 PM
That's only one sentence and doesn't reveal very much. I think I'd have to see the rest of the speech in order to put it into context.
Purrs,
Pookie

Cobra
02-18-2008, 10:19 PM
Interesting isn't it, how your smear campaign source left out the word "really" to make it seem like she said something other than what she meant.
Never said it wasn't a hit piece. I was supcious as soon as I saw the link had only had that one line in the entire article.

Cobra
02-19-2008, 10:16 PM
This is making big news, watched the video, she did not say really when she first said it.

Wndrtch
02-19-2008, 10:26 PM
That's only one sentence and doesn't reveal very much. I think I'd have to see the rest of the speech in order to put it into context.
Purrs,
Pookie


Not much else to read. It was all about "Hope".

Hope, hope, hope, hope, and more hope. I guess she's saying, that this how her husband is going to lead our nation. He is going to hope alot.

Do we have to hold hands for this to work?

Lucky13
02-19-2008, 10:36 PM
I don't see the big deal. A lot of Americans feel the same way.
The whole thing has been taken out of context.
I hope she doesn't back down one iota.

I don't know who will get my vote...but I can tell you that I am sick of the old guard. Obama can't do any worse damage to this country than both Clinton and Bush.

And yeah...of course it is a hit piece. It won't be the last one by a long shot.
pat

Drocket
02-20-2008, 05:37 AM
Do these liars who make this sh1t up really think the rest of us are stupid enough to fall for it?

No, just some of the rest of us. And they're usually right. Enough to win elections, quite often.

Trish
02-20-2008, 05:51 AM
Mrs. Obama misspoke. I doubt seriously she meant her comment to be taken as it has been.

However, I find it very interesting that the very people who are calling this a smear campaign against Ms. Obama embraced and celebrated that very same technique against Limbaugh.

I guess it all depends on who is "smearing" whom. If it's someone you like, then it's a smear - if it's someone you despise, then it's the truth. Perhaps thinking people pick and choose when to take comments in context and when not to do so.

Drocket
02-20-2008, 05:53 AM
if it's someone you despise, then it's the truth.

When you edit someone's words to change the meaning of what they said, it's NEVER the truth.

Trish
02-20-2008, 06:03 AM
if it's someone you despise, then it's the truth.

When you edit someone's words to change the meaning of what they said, it's NEVER the truth.


Well that's true enough as was proven by the edited video used to do the hatchet job on Limbaugh. It was only when one took the time to take the transcript of the entire show, and then go through the video repeatedly was one aware of just how much had been deleted and how much from other places had been spliced in. It was a very poorly constructed video. However, in Ms. Obama's case, from what I've read from several sources, the narratives which did not include the word "really" resulted from a glitch in the video they were viewing.

"she's taking heat today from some conservative commentators and bloggers for telling her crowd: "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm proud of my country."

[UPDATE: We missed a word in this quote, due to a blip in the replay of it we viewed. And, as a reader points out in a comment below, it's an omission that could change reactions to the comment. The correct quote is: "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country."] http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/michelle-obama.html

So this is not a smear campaign or a case of deliberately leaving out material. It's a case of a word inadvertently being left out due to a technical glitch, that version getting circulated and being reacted to before the clarification was made.

Tsky
02-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Rush Limbaugh? How in the world did a defense for 'ole crack head Rush Limbaugh enter into the discussion?

Anyway, the bottom line is that Obama and his wife are now targets, particularly by the GOP because Obama is the front runner. It will be more of politics as usual as the right wing media with the help of the criminal Clintons search for ways to stop Obama's momentum. It doesn't matter if it's misquoted, misprinted or an outright lie, they don't care, they are desperate and grasping for straws. You would think smart people would wonder about the character of a person who would use innocent statements to try to smear the reputation of an upstanding citizen. Furthermore, there have been many reasons in the past and present for many African Americans to be disillusioned with this country so the fact that she sees us coming together is certainly a reason to be proud.

Wndrtch
02-20-2008, 03:57 PM
Rush Limbaugh? How in the world did a defense for 'ole crack head Rush Limbaugh enter into the discussion?

Anyway, the bottom line is that Obama and his wife are now targets, particularly by the GOP because Obama is the front runner. It will be more of politics as usual as the right wing media with the help of the criminal Clintons search for ways to stop Obama's momentum. It doesn't matter if it's misquoted, misprinted or an outright lie, they don't care, they are desperate and grasping for straws. You would think smart people would wonder about the character of a person who would use innocent statements to try to smear the reputation of an upstanding citizen. Furthermore, there have been many reasons in the past and present for many African Americans to be disillusioned with this country so the fact that she sees us coming together is certainly a reason to be proud.


Comming together and what? Ok, great, we came together, now what? Sing songs of praise to Karl Marx? Tax the public into oblivion and pretend to end World poverty? Play "pass the coke-straw"? What?

This guy is nothing but an empty suit at best. He can't even come up with his own language for his speaches. He has to borrow them from my idiot Governor, Devall (aka - "Deville" or "Devolve") Patrick.

4Reaganomics
02-20-2008, 04:42 PM
I cannot comprehend how your initial moment of real pride in The United States of America can occur at age 44. Can someone please explain this to me?

Tsky
02-20-2008, 05:06 PM
Rush Limbaugh? How in the world did a defense for 'ole crack head Rush Limbaugh enter into the discussion?

Anyway, the bottom line is that Obama and his wife are now targets, particularly by the GOP because Obama is the front runner. It will be more of politics as usual as the right wing media with the help of the criminal Clintons search for ways to stop Obama's momentum. It doesn't matter if it's misquoted, misprinted or an outright lie, they don't care, they are desperate and grasping for straws. You would think smart people would wonder about the character of a person who would use innocent statements to try to smear the reputation of an upstanding citizen. Furthermore, there have been many reasons in the past and present for many African Americans to be disillusioned with this country so the fact that she sees us coming together is certainly a reason to be proud.


Comming together and what? Ok, great, we came together, now what? Sing songs of praise to Karl Marx? Tax the public into oblivion and pretend to end World poverty? Play "pass the coke-straw"? What?

This guy is nothing but an empty suit at best. He can't even come up with his own language for his speaches. He has to borrow them from my idiot Governor, Devall (aka - "Deville" or "Devolve") Patrick.



Sweetheart if you voted for or supported George Bush you should not be talking about taxes or anything else for that matter. You and cronies keep talking about how Obama will turn the US into a welfare state when your President is the reason all of us are receiving free money in the mail this year. Smells like welfare to me.

Your establishment of choice has sent this country to hell in a hand basket, people like you with your elitist ideas and the politicians you prefer are the reason there is a 'movement' and a call for 'change' in the first place. If you are not a part of the solution you are a part of the problem. Obama is going to be president, get over it![hr]
I cannot comprehend how your initial moment of real pride in The United States of America can occur at age 44. Can someone please explain this to me?


What she said was pretty clear but since you have chosen to interpret it in your own way, complete with the spin you've seen on tv, it's pretty useless to try to explain it to you. Stay in the dark.

suedanim
02-20-2008, 05:37 PM
Much ado about nuttin'! Expect ongoing assaults on her and her husbands choice of words.

Hurrah for the first black First Lady of the United States! I think she is a fine woman and we are very proud of her in my house.

Wndrtch
02-20-2008, 05:49 PM
Sweetheart if you voted for or supported George Bush you should not be talking about taxes or anything else for that matter. You and cronies keep talking about how Obama will turn the US into a welfare state when your President is the reason all of us are receiving free money in the mail this year. Smells like welfare to me.

Free money? What are you talking about? It's yours to begin with. Government doesn't make anything to earn money, it just takes from the population and out of the economy. If anything you lost money, because you didn't have it in a bank to collect interest for you.

Your comment here is indicative of the flawed thinking of Liberalism.

As far as Obama turning us into a welfare state, he can't. That was already done by LBJ. What Obama wants to do, is use our taxes to create a Global Welfare state. I guess he thinks our welfare system worked so well, that he wants to do it for the entire World. Egads!

Your establishment of choice has sent this country to hell in a hand basket, people like you with your elitist ideas and the politicians you prefer are the reason there is a 'movement' and a call for 'change' in the first place. If you are not a part of the solution you are a part of the problem. Obama is going to be president, get over it!

There is a movement because Democrat politicains saw an opportunity to capitalize on the death of US soldiers. :sick:[hr]
I cannot comprehend how your initial moment of real pride in The United States of America can occur at age 44. Can someone please explain this to me?


What I would like to know is, does Obama share her sentiment? He did say that he stopped wearing "Ole Glory" on his lapel, because he was ashamed of America after 911.

Has he started to wear it again, in light of his wife's epiphany?

Tsky
02-20-2008, 06:28 PM
Sweetheart if you voted for or supported George Bush you should not be talking about taxes or anything else for that matter. You and cronies keep talking about how Obama will turn the US into a welfare state when your President is the reason all of us are receiving free money in the mail this year. Smells like welfare to me.

Free money? What are you talking about? It's yours to begin with. Government doesn't make anything to earn money, it just takes from the population and out of the economy. If anything you lost money, because you didn't have it in a bank to collect interest for you.

Your comment here is indicative of the flawed thinking of Liberalism.

As far as Obama turning us into a welfare state, he can't. That was already done by LBJ. What Obama wants to do, is use our taxes to create a Global Welfare state. I guess he thinks our welfare system worked so well, that he wants to do it for the entire World. Egads!

Your establishment of choice has sent this country to hell in a hand basket, people like you with your elitist ideas and the politicians you prefer are the reason there is a 'movement' and a call for 'change' in the first place. If you are not a part of the solution you are a part of the problem. Obama is going to be president, get over it!

There is a movement because Democrat politicains saw an opportunity to capitalize on the death of US soldiers. :sick:[hr]
I cannot comprehend how your initial moment of real pride in The United States of America can occur at age 44. Can someone please explain this to me?


What I would like to know is, does Obama share her sentiment? He did say that he stopped wearing "Ole Glory" on his lapel, because he was ashamed of America after 911.

Has he started to wear it again, in light of his wife's epiphany?



Again you made the retarded decision to support George Bush, Jr. (which expressly disqualifies you from having a believable opinion about ANY of the other candidates) so let the rest of America make their choice, which I believe cannot possibly be as retarded as the one you made. :ecstatic:

potter
02-20-2008, 06:54 PM
That's only one sentence and doesn't reveal very much. I think I'd have to see the rest of the speech in order to put it into context.
Purrs,
Pookie


Not much else to read. It was all about "Hope".

Hope, hope, hope, hope, and more hope. I guess she's saying, that this how her husband is going to lead our nation. He is going to hope alot.

Do we have to hold hands for this to work?



At this point in US history "fact" is so dismal that "hope" is all we have.....on all sides of the isle.

Wndrtch
02-20-2008, 06:59 PM
Again you made the retarded decision to support George Bush, Jr. (which expressly disqualifies you from having a believable opinion about ANY of the other candidates) so let the rest of America make their choice, which I believe cannot possibly be as retarded as the one you made. :ecstatic:

I don't know. We could have voted in Al "Lock-box" Gore, or John "I voted for the war, before I voted against it" Kerry. Gore would have blamed 911 on failed enviromental policies, and Kerry would still be polling his friends about what toliet paper to use.

Next time, put up a candidate that has some substance, and maybe you wouldn't loose elections to and idiot like George. Unfortunately, you guys left me no choice.

potter
02-20-2008, 06:59 PM
Much ado about nuttin'! Expect ongoing assaults on her and her husbands choice of words.

Hurrah for the first black First Lady of the United States! I think she is a fine woman and we are very proud of her in my house.


Perhaps the comment was partially based on how America seems to be setting aside race for a common cause?

BTW, the missus and I are very impressed with her as well....[hr]
Again you made the retarded decision to support George Bush, Jr. (which expressly disqualifies you from having a believable opinion about ANY of the other candidates) so let the rest of America make their choice, which I believe cannot possibly be as retarded as the one you made. :ecstatic:

I don't know. We could have voted in Al "Lock-box" Gore, or John "I voted for the war, before I voted against it" Kerry. Gore would have blamed 911 on failed enviromental policies, and Kerry would still be polling his friends about what toliet paper to use.



It must be pretty easy to blather on on about what they "might" have done based on fear and loony speculation while ignoring the real damage the present CIC has in fact done.

I won't vote for McCain because he might turn the rule of the US over to China. :ponder::dizzy:

Tsky
02-20-2008, 09:47 PM
Much ado about nuttin'! Expect ongoing assaults on her and her husbands choice of words.

Hurrah for the first black First Lady of the United States! I think she is a fine woman and we are very proud of her in my house.


Perhaps the comment was partially based on how America seems to be setting aside race for a common cause?

BTW, the missus and I are very impressed with her as well....[hr]
Again you made the retarded decision to support George Bush, Jr. (which expressly disqualifies you from having a believable opinion about ANY of the other candidates) so let the rest of America make their choice, which I believe cannot possibly be as retarded as the one you made. :ecstatic:

I don't know. We could have voted in Al "Lock-box" Gore, or John "I voted for the war, before I voted against it" Kerry. Gore would have blamed 911 on failed enviromental policies, and Kerry would still be polling his friends about what toliet paper to use.



It must be pretty easy to blather on on about what they "might" have done based on fear and loony speculation while ignoring the real damage the present CIC has in fact done.

I won't vote for McCain because he might turn the rule of the US over to China. :ponder::dizzy:





Yeah, what Potter said.

BoogyMan
02-20-2008, 10:59 PM
Most of the liberals here who are fans of Mr. Obama have stood up and said that this comment is being taken wrong or that it just doesn't mean what it sounds like it does.

Well, friends, what exactly DOES this comment mean then?

Michelle Obama was born January 17th, 1964 and that would make her about 44 years old. She would have been considered an adult for some 26 years now. I can come up with many things that happened in the past 26 years that have made me proud to be American and proud of my country.

Was she not proud of her country when Mr. Obama was elected a senator? I would imagine that would be a proud day. Maybe not.

There isn't a smear campaign going on when fairly clear comments by the wife of a frontrunner are brought to light, it may not be comfortable, but it isn't a smear. Mrs. Obama's words speak for themselves and eluminate what kind of person she is.

lily
02-20-2008, 11:17 PM
Anyway, the bottom line is that Obama and his wife are now targets, particularly by the GOP because Obama is the front runner. It will be more of politics as usual as the right wing media with the help of the criminal Clintons search for ways to stop Obama's momentum.

God help me.........I'm going to defend Hillary.......it wasn't the Clintons that brought this up it was Cindy McCain.


It doesn't matter if it's misquoted, misprinted or an outright lie, they don't care, they are desperate and grasping for straws. You would think smart people would wonder about the character of a person who would use innocent statements to try to smear the reputation of an upstanding citizen. Furthermore, there have been many reasons in the past and present for many African Americans to be disillusioned with this country so the fact that she sees us coming together is certainly a reason to be proud.

I don't think the word really makes much difference in the statement made....it's pretty straight forward........and sorry if Michelle Obama want to be first lady, she better watch her words very carefully, there are 9 more months of this. She's the most vocal out of all the candidates wives, now that Edwards is no longer running and you don't count Bill as a "wife". Her every word is going to be under a microscope.

We've got Hillary running around explaining that "Bill didn't mean what he said". Do we really need both of our candidates having to take time from the topics being discussed doing this?[hr]


As far as Obama turning us into a welfare state, he can't. That was already done by LBJ. What Obama wants to do, is use our taxes to create a Global Welfare state. I guess he thinks our welfare system worked so well, that he wants to do it for the entire World. Egads!

I'm not sure where you think Regean's war on drugs money came from or Bush's war on AIDES is coming from.......if he changed the wording to war on global poverty, would that make the money come from a magically different place than you think any other foreign aide comes from?

preservanation
02-21-2008, 12:33 PM
It fits right into the Obama campaign.
He is the messianic savior who will save us from the total abyss of despair.

If he gets elected we'll have to change all the calendars from B.O.(before Obama) to A.O (anno Obama)

Trish
02-21-2008, 01:19 PM
I have to agree with lily on this.

Mrs. Obama misspoke. If she's going to be out in the public politically she's going to have to watch every word that comes out of her mouth. Mrs. Obama is no different than any other candidate's spouse in that respect. Everything she says, everything she does will be viewed under a microscope. If she flubs something, however innocently, it's going to be exposed in the media, and most likely exploited. Bill Clinton has damaged his wife's campaign with his imprudent remarks and conduct on the campaign trail, and Michelle Obama won't be given a pass, nor should she.

preservanation
02-21-2008, 01:27 PM
This is nonsense.
How about her laying down her husband's tax or HC plan?
We tend to fixate on things that don't really matter.

She'll be forced to choose her words better now, but so what?
Still doesn't change the fact that Barrack Obama wants to install a socialist state.

4Reaganomics
02-21-2008, 02:27 PM
and don't forget global welfare state where the American producers take care of the rest of the world

Buck Laser
02-21-2008, 04:25 PM
and don't forget global welfare state where the American producers take care of the rest of the world


Say what? Oh yeah, it's all that stuff we make and sell to the rest of the world, like, uhh... --wait, tell me again now: what is it we produce that "takes care of the world?"

4Reaganomics
02-21-2008, 04:29 PM
foreign aid, which obama wants to increase

I was disappointed in Bush during this term at times, especially with immigration. However, the other day he declared "it is best to let African nations handle African problems". Obama wants to end world poverty at the expense of the American tax payer. We won't be selling them anything, we'll be giving it to them.

potter
02-21-2008, 04:34 PM
This is nonsense.
How about her laying down her husband's tax or HC plan?
We tend to fixate on things that don't really matter.

She'll be forced to choose her words better now, but so what?
Still doesn't change the fact that Barrack Obama wants to install a socialist state.


Don't we already pretty much have a socialist state? Police, fire, government bailouts of banks, roads, etc?

Kinda like saying Obama will turn the sky blue if elected.....:ponder:

4Reaganomics
02-21-2008, 04:37 PM
no, we do not have income equality of anywhere near the level that Obama is going to create. We have much more incentive to work now and reap the benefits of our rewards than we will under the socialist state of B. Hussein Obama

Wndrtch
02-21-2008, 04:46 PM
I'm not sure where you think Regean's war on drugs money came from or Bush's war on AIDES is coming from.......if he changed the wording to war on global poverty, would that make the money come from a magically different place than you think any other foreign aide comes from?

So that makes it right for you then? They did it, so he can?

Did Reagan take .7% of the nations GDP for his war on drugs?

Did Bush take .7% of the GDP for his war on AIDES?

Did either Reagan or Bush believe that families with a combined income of $75/yr, are "rich" and target them for higher taxation to pay for their programs? No. They lowered taxes for those groups, which drove-up GDP and therfore taxe revenues increased. That was how they paid for their programs, which is something Liberals never seem to get.

Buck Laser
02-21-2008, 06:10 PM
foreign aid, which obama wants to increase

I was disappointed in Bush during this term at times, especially with immigration. However, the other day he declared "it is best to let African nations handle African problems". Obama wants to end world poverty at the expense of the American tax payer. We won't be selling them anything, we'll be giving it to them.

Do you have ANY idea what a minuscule fraction of the federal budget goes into foreign aid? I thought not.
Of course, we're pouring billions into Iraq, but I don't think that can legitimately be called "foreign aid." Most of it seems to come right back home to Halliburton for its "production.":madlaugh:

PatrickHenry
02-21-2008, 06:20 PM
I was "really" proud of the USA...when I was a teenager...

But Michelle grew up14 years behind me...and there hasn't been much to celebrate.

The more I learn about Uncle Sam's series of international rapes, the more I disclaim the nation I was born into.

If I was Michelle, I wouldn't be so "really" proud just now...just because her husband has been selected by the elite to be their figurehead for the next four years...

But hey...if you are gonna be the first black First Family, that's something to celebrate.

Doesn't do me much good out here in Occupied Hawaii...

4Reaganomics
02-21-2008, 08:20 PM
foreign aid, which obama wants to increase

I was disappointed in Bush during this term at times, especially with immigration. However, the other day he declared "it is best to let African nations handle African problems". Obama wants to end world poverty at the expense of the American tax payer. We won't be selling them anything, we'll be giving it to them.

Do you have ANY idea what a minuscule fraction of the federal budget goes into foreign aid? I thought not.
Of course, we're pouring billions into Iraq, but I don't think that can legitimately be called "foreign aid." Most of it seems to come right back home to Halliburton for its "production.":madlaugh:


Next time just ask me the question and I will answer directly my opinion on the matter. There is no need to insert a "thought not" before you give me a chance to reply.

If I am not mistaken I belive Bush 43 signed into law a 20.9 billion dollar foreign aid bill that included a lot of aids relief. I remember something upwards of 200 million dollars went directly to jordan for Econ assistance. I mean, if you want to complain about operating at a deficit, there is no need for this spending. Iraq was approved by congress overwhelmingly because it was thought to be in the interest of the American people, key word American. Foreign aid is in the interest of the Foreign nation at the expense of the American tax payer.

In terms of the percentage, it is usually considered to be around 1% of the Federal budget. It changes as you know budgets change and legislation changes. I don't want it to be 2% under "just words", I simply do not.

For furure reference, if you have a question to ask about my opinion ask directly. Do not pose a rhetorical question to enhance your argument and act as if I am uninformed on the subject. I would have responded much sooner, but I was in class until 4. Thank you.

Buck Laser
02-21-2008, 09:52 PM
Suit yourself.:love:

lily
02-22-2008, 02:03 AM
[quote=Wndrtch]


So that makes it right for you then? They did it, so he can?

Did Reagan take .7% of the nations GDP for his war on drugs?

Did Bush take .7% of the GDP for his war on AIDES?

I'm sorry, Wnd.......I don't mean to laugh......but I couldn't help myself. Not to repeat......but when a Republican does it it's good. When a Democrat does it it's bad. Odd, we're seeing the same thing about pork now, after 7 years.:lmao:

I don't like foreign aide, no matter what side it comes from.....but to say Reagan did it, Bush did it.......but Obama wants to do it too, really isn't making your case.

4Reaganomics
02-22-2008, 03:30 AM
Obama is running on "End Global Poverty" and CHANGE (even if it is changing to a socialist state)

Bush is stating "Let African nations handle African problems"

I hate how much Bush spent on foreign aid, but I am certain Obama will spend more.

Well maybe not too certain, after all the guy has no record to judge him on. Let's check his vote on a tough issue

"present"?

lily
02-22-2008, 03:44 AM
Obama is running on "End Global Poverty" and CHANGE (even if it is changing to a socialist state)

Bush is stating "Let African nations handle African problems"


You sure about that? Now I just put the sentence that had to do with Africa's war on AIDES......we help other countires too........but I have to admit, this "Let African nations handle Afican problems sounds too good to be true and the first sentecne tells it all......I'm not going to give out the secret.......you're going to have to click on the link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7257170.stm)

The US has spent $15bn (£7.7bn) over five years in 15 countries, most of
them in Africa, buying life-saving drugs.

4Reaganomics
02-22-2008, 04:08 AM
Once again, I do not agree with his foreign aid policy. I agree with his comment in the sense to not give hand-outs for a country's personal gain.

They want to portray AIDS as a world issue, and thus feel that the U.S. has a place in cleaning up the irresponsibility of aids infested nations. It is absurd, that 15 billion should have been given back to the tax payers.

preservanation
02-22-2008, 03:26 PM
This is nonsense.
How about her laying down her husband's tax or HC plan?
We tend to fixate on things that don't really matter.

She'll be forced to choose her words better now, but so what?
Still doesn't change the fact that Barrack Obama wants to install a socialist state.


Don't we already pretty much have a socialist state? Police, fire, government bailouts of banks, roads, etc?

Kinda like saying Obama will turn the sky blue if elected.....:ponder:
I'm just saying ..."Let's not make it any worse".[hr]The only one who cares about Michelle Obama's statement is CNN, Hillary and talk radio.
The impetus for this and the plagiarism charge is all coming from the Clintons.
Who else could it be,
McCain?
I doubt it.

Wndrtch
02-22-2008, 03:37 PM
So she had no pride in this country till her husband started getting public support in his bid to be president........:ponder:

Hows this for some mudslingin. :evil::grrrr:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/pride_in_the_na.html

MILWAUKEE -- So what did Michelle Obama think of the United States before her husband decided he wanted to run the place?

“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”


Ok, Michelle, congradulations for comming around to what most of us have been raised to think and feel about our country. But how about your Husband? Has he started to wear Ole Glory on his lapel again?

Maybe you should have a little talk with him about it, and explain to him your new found pride for Country. Maybe he'll catch-on.

PatrickHenry
02-22-2008, 05:03 PM
What bargain-basement patriotism!

Call it what it is...theatrics. Shibai.

Worthless and insincere.

The only patriotism of any value is a clear understanding and support for constitutional principles.

Jingoism is patriotisms caricature.

preservanation
02-24-2008, 11:19 AM
"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second." http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

lol...
"No matter how liberal they were, white people still treated me differently."
Just because they are libs, they're free from bias, where does that notion come from???
Certainly not from behavioral observation.
This is a typical assumption of the left and is so chock-full-o-beans I don't know where to begin.

How about listening to conservatives who tell minorities that they can succeed without the largess of white folk?

I see a more conservative population in America on the horizon. People who live their lives as conservatives still vote liberal.
Once the two ideologies are clearly defined, people will start to support and vote for conservatives