Obama the Plagiarist

[AlonzoMourning23]

Obama Echoes Deval Patrick...Again

February 17, 2008 4:18 PM

The charismatic, brilliant, inspiring black politician came to the stage to address the latest attack from his white female opponent.

"Her dismissive point, and I hear it a lot from her staff, is all I have to offer is words," he said. "Just words.

"'We holds these truths to be self-evident,'" he continued as the crowd began to cheer and applaud, "'that all men are created equal' -- just words. Just words."

The applause increased.

"'We have nothing to fear but fear itself,'" the pol said. "Just words. 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.' Just words,'" he said, switching effortlessly from our Founding Fathers to FDR to JFK.

And then, the piece de resistance: "'I have a dream' -- just words," he said.

Barack Obama rebutting Hillary Clinton circa 2008?

Nope. Deval Patrick, ultimately successful Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, responding to then-Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey in October 2006.

Of course, if you mistook the speech for one from Obama, you can be forgiven -- just this weekend Obama said something quite similar.

"Don't tell me words don't matter," Obama said to Wisconsin Democrats. "'I have a dream' -- just words. 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' -- just words. 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' - just words. Just speeches."

Watch Patrick:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xvaOkxbM9dY

and Obama:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SgMcht-EW6I

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/obama-echoes-de.html

[Labrocca]

The Obama clip is short and doesn't offer much in context. Saying something similar isn't plagairism.

[Pookie]

So both of them used others' words. This is yet another example of nitpicking the candidates during an election year. The media loves this stuff.
Purrs,
Pookie

[ViolaLee]

OK so we now know Alonzo that you don't like Ron Paul and you don't like Obama. Who are you supporting? Hillary or McCain?

Do you ever post pieces on who you want for president, or will you just stick to smearing the other candidates?

Aren't you sick of Karl Rove style smear campaigns?

Today I went to the Obama HQ and made phone calls for his campaign. I talked to one guy who said he was voting for Ron Paul. I told him, I like Ron Paul too, for his strong stance on protecting the constitution. And if Obama is our candidate, maybe he can consider voting for him on November, since Obama is also a strong constitution supporter, having taught constitutional law. The man appreciated the information and will consider Obama.

What is it about the two you dislike so much Alonzo? Do you have something against the constitution?

[Pookie]

Why is it if you don't support candidate A or B you're against the Constitution, or civil rights, or something like that?
You can't just support a candidate you like without being anti-something? I get so tired of hearing that. Also Zo didn't say he didn't like Obama. He put that article up with the videos to spark a debate.
Purrs,
Pookie

[ViolaLee]

Why is it if you don't support candidate A or B you're against the Constitution, or civil rights, or something like that?
You can't just support a candidate you like without being anti-something? I get so tired of hearing that. Also Zo didn't say he didn't like Obama. He put that article up with the videos to spark a debate.
Purrs,
Pookie
It's obvious he supports Hillary, as he gets all indignant at all Hillary smear threads, yet he posts many, many smear threads about Obama and Ron Paul. And what Paul and Obama have in common are ending the Iraq war and a strong constitutional protection.

Do they have anything else in common that might be what Alonzo doesn't like about them?

Of course you can support a candidate without being anti something. But in that case, perhaps Alonzo should be posting pro Hillary threads instead of all the anti-something threads about the Obama and Paul?

Just a thought...

[Aidie]

maybe that is how it seems, but i think we all tend to look more negetivly on the candidates we dont like and possitivly on the ones wedo like.I think its human nature.
Aidie

[Osborn F. Enready]

Obama is as much a Constitutionalist as Karl Marx.

[AlonzoMourning23]

I don't dislike Obama, I said I'll vote for him if he wins. I just like Hillary better.

I think Obama mania is way over the top. It's funny, anti hillary threads get "Ya I hate her too!" responses and anti-Obama threads get "What's wrong with you?" responses.

[ViolaLee]

I don't dislike Obama, I said I'll vote for him if he wins. I just like Hillary better.

I think Obama mania is way over the top. It's funny, anti hillary threads get "Ya I hate her too!" responses and anti-Obama threads get "What's wrong with you?" responses.

And that's why Obama has a better chance of winning in November.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Either Obama or Hillary will likely win, and Hillary would be the better president in my opinion.

[Cobra]

Obama is an empty suit, he may win the popularity contest aka the election but would he really be an effective president.

[PostmodernProphet]

but if Obama is the reincarnation of JFK, would it be plagiarism for him to quote JFK......

[tony mitra]

I think I like all of them.
Here is a suggestion:
1. McCain should contest on the republican platform
2. Hillary should contest on the Democratic platform
3. Obama should contest on an independent platform.

The winner gets to be the president.
All three should agree that the second most popular gets to be the Vice President, and the third gets to be the deputy Vice President.

How about that ?
Who do you think would be P, VP, and DVP?
Tony

[just a grunt]

Interesting admission from Obama . . . He confirms using Patrick verbiage without crediting.

NILES, Ohio - Sen. Barack Obama said Monday that he probably should have given his friend — the governor of Massachusetts — credit for using his lines over the weekend.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080218/ap_on_el_pr/obama_borrowed_lines_2

[micfranklin]

Smear campaigns against Obama seem to be coming out the woodworks.

[Archasgame5]

Patrick did it better.

[ViolaLee]

Smear campaigns against Obama seem to be coming out the woodworks.
That's one thing the Clinton campaign is good at. And that's why I like Obama better. He isn't engaging in smear campaigns.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Obama is more up front in his lies. Like when he says Hillary is the same as McCain on Iraq, he doesn't try to hide that he's the one doing the lying.

Hillary tends to release the attack privately and tends to support it shortly after, as is the case here.

[ViolaLee]

Hillary voted the same way as McCain on Iraq and Iran, so she is like him. Saying that she did is not a smear campaign, it's discussing the difference on the issues. He was against the war from the start and didn't vote to call Iran's military a terrorist org.

But secretly releasing a lie that Obama is a plagiarist is a dishonest smear campaign and it's going to come back around and bite her in the ass. People don't want another Karl Rove style government.

[Osborn F. Enready]

The sad thing is, none of them have to lie because most of the people digesting the information don't know the difference between lie and truth anymore.

All the Obama supporters I have seen are talking about change, until you question them on what kind of change they want, and what kind Obama is offering. Usually, when you ask questions like that you get a lot drool, blank stares and ass scratching.

I am losing faith in my fellow Americans... they are becoming as nationalist as the Chinese and as politically apathetic as one could be when it comes to ACTUALLY knowing what is being voted on, what those votes mean, and who is doing the voting (regarding their representatives votes). When it comes to THEIR chance to actually vote, they see fraud before their very eyes in 2000, and again in 2004, and still they go to work every day, head in the sand, pretending "next election will be different, if we just have faith".

Sometime, people are going to have to wake up, the only question is can people really be so ignorant to wait TOO long?

What are peoples values anymore?

[Tsky]

Hillary Clinton is the dumbest presidential candidate in the history of presidential candidates and that includes Jesse Jackson. She is less qualified than any person I've ever know to lead this country.

She has changed her political slogan about 4 times showing that she lacks direction and has no clue how to rally this country behind her.
She has squandered a double digit lead and is in danger of losing the bid for the presidency after labeling herself the 'inevitable candidate.'
She has mismanaged her campaign funds by being short-sighted and again, by being out of touch with what people what and had to loan herself money.
She is trying to run on experience when anyone who can read a book knows she has very little.
She says she is in the solutions business with no 'solutions' to speak of.
She openly courts a particular race of people when her opponent is clearly running his campaign based our similarities, not our differences.
Her attacks against Obama make it more and more likely that his supporters, who now outnumber hers, will not vote for her if she should win the nomination.
She has ignored states that she felt would be of little benefit to her thereby insuring that the people in those states will also overlook her name on the ballot in November.
She herself has stolen lines from Obama and now accuses him of plagarizing.

I would not have a problem with HRC had she not be so obviously and blatantly dishonest during her campaign from her slogan touting experience as the reason to nominate her to her desperate attempts to attack Obama for the silliest of reasons. It's desperate and anyone that desperate to be in the White House clearly wants to win at all costs and that is not a reason to vote for someone.

[ViolaLee]

Talk about plagiarism, I heard Hillary use a version of Obama's Yes We Can in her speech. She now says Yes We Will.

She's just another smear campaigner. She's desperate.

[Tsky]

If Hillary were really for America she wouldn't be attempting to coax pledge delegates from Obama, running negative ads and most of all LYING. If she were truly about America she would respect the polls showing that 47% of Americans DON'T LIKE her and that she has no chance if she runs against McCain. Just like Huckabee is being selfish by staying in the race knowing he has no chance in hell to win the same is true of HRC because even if she wins the nomination the Democratic party loses in the long run.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Tsky, Hillary still beats McCain in national polls, just by not as much as Obama.

As for negative ads, she's doing what is normally done in a campaign and what others, such as Romney, were doing. It's not unique to her.

But calling Hillary dumb is a bit ridiculous. Either you are simply consumed with hate for her or you truly believe that, in which case you probably stand alone among Americans. Even her worst enemies fear her cunning and intelligence.

[Wndrtch]

Obama Echoes Deval Patrick...Again

February 17, 2008 4:18 PM

The charismatic, brilliant, inspiring black politician came to the stage to address the latest attack from his white female opponent.

"Her dismissive point, and I hear it a lot from her staff, is all I have to offer is words," he said. "Just words.

"'We holds these truths to be self-evident,'" he continued as the crowd began to cheer and applaud, "'that all men are created equal' -- just words. Just words."

The applause increased.

"'We have nothing to fear but fear itself,'" the pol said. "Just words. 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.' Just words,'" he said, switching effortlessly from our Founding Fathers to FDR to JFK.

And then, the piece de resistance: "'I have a dream' -- just words," he said.

Barack Obama rebutting Hillary Clinton circa 2008?

Nope. Deval Patrick, ultimately successful Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, responding to then-Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey in October 2006.

Of course, if you mistook the speech for one from Obama, you can be forgiven -- just this weekend Obama said something quite similar.

"Don't tell me words don't matter," Obama said to Wisconsin Democrats. "'I have a dream' -- just words. 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' -- just words. 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' - just words. Just speeches."

Watch Patrick:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xvaOkxbM9dY

and Obama:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SgMcht-EW6I

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/obama-echoes-de.html


LMAO!! :madlaugh:

Both using the same words, and still saying nothing. But don't worry, together we can.

Can what...?

I don't know, we just can.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Hillary voted the same way as McCain on Iraq and Iran, so she is like him.

Um........ so everyone who voted that way on those two votes are the same?

We had this discussion before, they aren't similar now as hillary is calling for a gradual withdrawal and, as I pointed out by her speech, the reasons weren't similar then.

I'm not sure what's so hard to admit that, at the very least, Obama was stretching the truth. To argue Hillary and McCain are the same, or close, on Iraq is illogical.

But secretly releasing a lie that Obama is a plagiarist is a dishonest smear campaign and it's going to come back around and bite her in the ass. People don't want another Karl Rove style government.

So Obama took another persons speech and used it without giving credit. That makes him a ?......

[Wndrtch]

...She's desperate.

That's what happens, when you don't get sex for decades. Someone needs to show her how to use her plastic friend and get her some batteries.

Maybe Janet Reno is available for consult.

(BTW - welcome back)

[Buck Laser]

...She's desperate.

That's what happens, when you don't get sex for decades. Someone needs to show her how to use her plastic friend and get her some batteries.

Maybe Janet Reno is available for consult.

(BTW - welcome back)

Wndr, that's a pretty nasty set of suggestions, truly unworthy of posting here IMO.

[preservanation]

I think some others have used the word "Hope" too.
This is just something more from the Clinton Machine.
The Clintons have nothing else to knee-cap Obama with except "plagiarism"...at this time.

Plagiarism...?
Hee, Hee...snort*
It's a long way to Aug, in Denver....

What a ripsnort'n time that's going to be!

[Wndrtch]

...She's desperate.

That's what happens, when you don't get sex for decades. Someone needs to show her how to use her plastic friend and get her some batteries.

Maybe Janet Reno is available for consult.

(BTW - welcome back)

Wndr, that's a pretty nasty set of suggestions, truly unworthy of posting here IMO.


What's the matter, it's just sex. Are you homophobic or something?

[Buck Laser]

...She's desperate.

That's what happens, when you don't get sex for decades. Someone needs to show her how to use her plastic friend and get her some batteries.

Maybe Janet Reno is available for consult.

(BTW - welcome back)

Wndr, that's a pretty nasty set of suggestions, truly unworthy of posting here IMO.


What's the matter, it's just sex. Are you homophobic or something?

Nah--are you asking me for a date? :love:

[Tsky]

I think some others have used the word "Hope" too.
This is just something more from the Clinton Machine.
The Clintons have nothing else to knee-cap Obama with except "plagiarism"...at this time.

Plagiarism...?
Hee, Hee...snort*
It's a long way to Aug, in Denver....

What a ripsnort'n time that's going to be!



And plagarism from a friend who said it wasn't plagarism? What next? We'll find out he ate a massive amount of boogers while in Kindergarten? Say it ain't so Barack!!

[micfranklin]

I found a clip of the plagarism issue from the debate last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYZGxDXsoYk

[ViolaLee]

I wonder if Alonzo is embarressed to have been caught up in this Clinton smear campaign yet? Hillary got booed last night for it.

I'm going to have to boo Alonzo right now for it too.

booooooo

[preservanation]

I'm going to have to boo Alonzo right now for it too.

booooooo
Can I join in too??
Please??

Thanks,

boooooooooooooo...

This is fun.

[AlonzoMourning23]

I wonder if Alonzo is embarressed to have been caught up in this Clinton smear campaign yet? Hillary got booed last night for it.

I'm going to have to boo Alonzo right now for it too.

booooooo


She got booed for how poorly phrased the comment was, and she got cheered for the first comment she made on the importance of using your own words. It's a valid issue, and the wording is what got booed.

Obama's staff already released a comment saying he should have credited his source, but now he thinks that concern over the issue is silly.

[preservanation]

It is silly, but HRC won't leave it alone.
She then stepped in it with the Edwards quote last night.
She should stay out of the way, and let her surrogates take care of him.
Her hit-men will continue on with Obama till he dies the death of a thousand cuts.

[ViolaLee]

Of course it's silly. He was advised to use those lines by the author of them. Isn't it silly to call that plagiarism?

Hillary has used many people's lines in her speeches. She is the pot calling the kettle black, she is being a hypocrite. She even uses Obama's lines. LOL!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upTwxxkO9-c

So for her to accuse him of using other people's lines while she uses his, it's just outlandish.

[AlonzoMourning23]

So saying "Turn the page" and asking "are you fired up? Are you ready to go?" (Hillary said she is, she didn't ask a question), phrases that are used by countless people every day, is plagiarism? I don't think so.

Also interesting to know if hillary's speeches were even spoken after obama's, as no date info is given.

[4Reaganomics]

When you declare complete verbatim as Obama did for over 30 seconds without acknowledging the original speaker it is plagiarism.

If this happened in college, the person who said it or wrote it would be sanctioned severely, perhaps expelled. If any of the line Hillary spoke were repeated in a speech or college paper, there would be no sanction.

"Fired up and ready to go" is a catch line used in everyday life. If Someone would have said Obama's 4 lines previous to "Fired up and ready to go" in sequence, it would have been plagiarism.