Why is it that...

[ticbeast]

...Ron Paul supporters are more rabid than those of other candidates? Seriously, not to say each doesn't have his or her share of loonies. But has anyone else noticed, at least on forums and youtube video comments, a higher level of fanaticism for him? I'm sorry if this comes off as offensive to anyone here who supports him.

[Pookie]

Actually, yes, I've noticed that. I didn't want to offend anyone either, so I was too chicken to bring it up. We have a couple neighbors here who are RP supporters and boy, they are really rabid about him. They even went through the neighborhood replacing Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Romney signs in yards with RP and left all kinds of homemade brochures in the mailboxes. My next-door neighbor, Aidie (a member here) got her McCain sign torn up, scattered in pieces all over the stoop, and a whole bunch of RP literature in her mailbox.

That did it for me -- we called the cops. I'm not a McCain supporter, but we all have the right to express our views without retaliation like that.

Purrs,
Pookie

[bishop]

i like how paul's supporters are so often characterized as loonies and fanatics... makes me feel inclined to characterize establishment supporters as docile sheep.

paul's supporters actually believe in him and are inspired by him. he is the only candidate out there whose voting record matches his rhetoric. he represents fundamental change, rather than the establishment's status quo.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Well said Bishop, and I agree.

No doubt, all "collectives", which a political party is, have there "wackos", but when you rely on that as your main support to "label a group" that makes up the collective, its pretty lame.

People don't have any ammunition to bash Paul with since the race bait issue was laid to rest, so they single out individuals who do bad things and try to demonize the whole group of supporters by the actions of a few.

Typical political smearing.

[spacepirate]

...Ron Paul supporters are more rabid than those of other candidates? Seriously, not to say each doesn't have his or her share of loonies. But has anyone else noticed, at least on forums and youtube video comments, a higher level of fanaticism for him? I'm sorry if this comes off as offensive to anyone here who supports him.


You're right. And it's annoying. They get sooo offended if someone disagrees with them :lmao.

[Alonzo]

It may have to do with Paul being so out there, so that his supporters tend to be the more rabid and radical people anyway. Essentially, crazy politicians attract crazy people. I'm not saying all paul supporters are crazy though.

[PatrickHenry]

But you are saying Paul himself is crazy, Alonzo?

But then anyone who thinks thoughts that aren't liberal must be a nutcase, huh?

Paul is a politician who has made a career out of being principled. What a shock to liberals used to political liars!

Heh! You guys who support that windbag Hillary...


And I must say that this thread is improperly titled...

[Tessy]

...Ron Paul supporters are more rabid than those of other candidates? Seriously, not
to say each doesn't have his or her share of loonies. But has anyone else noticed, at
least on forums and youtube video comments, a higher level of fanaticism for him?
I'm sorry if this comes off as offensive to anyone here who supports him.

I don't think it's offensive. It's an observation. I understand how you came by
it. I do think that the fanaticism you're detecting is not for him however.

He's the only candidate that represents honesty and unwavering support for
the ideals that this country was originally founded on. You know; individualism,
and a SHARP break away from the monarchical, theocratical, collectivist ideas
that have caused so much suffering in the world over the centuries. So most of
the "fanatics" are not "for Dr. Paul" per say but rather are educated enough to
be in favor of those ideas. Dr. Paul is seen only as a steward (I noticed Jon
Stewart of Comedy Central was keen enough to pick up on that immediately)
for the people of those principals. The level of fanaticism I think reflects the
level of urgency with which awake people recognize our state to be in. It's
not really about Ron Paul...

People who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed, conned, or otherwise
duped by the elite class who control our media and policy making for so long
will likely not recognize these basic principals of freedom and liberty and will
likely view Dr. Paul as "out there" or "crazy". The fact is however, anytime
you encounter a person like that you are talking to a socialist and well on their
way to welcoming in Nazism once again whether they know it or not. Usually
they don't even know it until you break down their own beliefs for them and
present those beliefs in a historical light. Other times they know full well but
are in favor of totalitarian overlords. I guess that's about 15% of the Hillary
supporters, 2% of the Obama supporters and some similarly small fraction
of McCain people - Which is to say that the vast majority of them just don't
understand politics and what they're asking for by supporting those candidates.
They vote on stage presence and hair styles and stuff like that. To me this is
what is actually crazy - and in a much more real and dangerous way. But
since it's done in mass by the popular majority it's not easily recognized as
such.

[Alonzo]

But you are saying Paul himself is crazy, Alonzo?

Pretty much. It's a combination of craziness and idealism run amok, and a lack of concern for the practical side of things.

But then anyone who thinks thoughts that aren't liberal must be a nutcase, huh?

My liberal status has been questioned repeatedly by people lately, both online and in real life, so by that standard I must be a nutcase.

Paul is a politician who has made a career out of being principled. What a shock to liberals used to political liars!

Heh! You guys who support that windbag Hillary...

An even bigger shock to us liberals who support Hillary is why you'd vote for some who has no chance of changing anything.

view Dr. Paul as "out there" or "crazy". The fact is however, anytime
you encounter a person like that you are talking to a socialist and well on their
way to welcoming in Nazism once again whether they know it or not. Usually
they don't even know it until you break down their own beliefs for them and
present those beliefs in a historical light. Other times they know full well but
are in favor totalitarian overlords. I guess that's about 15% of the Hillary
supporters, 2% of the Obama supporters and some similarly small fraction
of McCain people

Can I get a "Heil Hillary?"

[Tessy]

Can I get a "Heil Hillary?"

I think we'll be hearing just that in a few short months. Sad though it may be.

Just wait till her second term when the middle class is completely gone and
she turns the screws on the serfdom. Of course the TV will be busy filling our
heads with "This is the result of terrorist enemies" and telling us we need yet
more unjust wars...

Maybe George Washington should have said "Yes!" when they asked him to be
The King? At least a monarchy is more easily identifiable than what we're
dealing with now!

[potter]

...Ron Paul supporters are more rabid than those of other candidates? Seriously, not to say each doesn't have his or her share of loonies. But has anyone else noticed, at least on forums and youtube video comments, a higher level of fanaticism for him? I'm sorry if this comes off as offensive to anyone here who supports him.


I haven't noticed it.....:shame:

[Elrathin]

I haven't noticed it.....:shame:

I have a lot. When you have Ron Paul supporters still saying that Ron Paul is going to be the Republican Nominee, that is pure fanaticism.

[Scribbler1]

I have a lot. When you have Ron Paul supporters still saying that Ron Paul is going to be the Republican Nominee, that is pure fanaticism.I tend to agree, if that IS what Paul supporters say. However, it seems to me only a handful of people say that, if that many. They are more likely to say he would have been the BETTER presidential candidate among the choices.

[potter]

I have a lot. When you have Ron Paul supporters still saying that Ron Paul is going to be the Republican Nominee, that is pure fanaticism.


I think he'll still be on all the tickets come election day, which is fine by me. Unless there is a law that says only one republican can run in an election. He may go independent...who can say. TBH, Paul is my fall back candidate....the only one of two I trust.

About his idealism....whats wrong with that? I'm sensing a real defeatist attitude from the above posts that signal a general resignation that this is it folks, it ain't getting any better and anyone who thinks otherwise is loonie.\

We might as well go ahead and declare the constitution dead...because it's loonie to think we can salvage it?

[Elrathin]

About his idealism....whats wrong with that?

I was commenting on Ron Paul supporters still thinking that he will be the Republican nominee, I wasn't commenting on Ron Paul himself.

Honestly I think some of his ideas are too extreme, yet some of his ideas are good. I personally don't think Ron Paul is a loony, but I do think some of his supporters are as I showed by some still thinking he is going to be the Republican nominee.

[potter]

I was commenting on Ron Paul supporters still thinking that he will be the Republican nominee, I wasn't commenting on Ron Paul himself.

Honestly I think some of his ideas are too extreme, yet some of his ideas are good. I personally don't think Ron Paul is a loony, but I do think some of his supporters are as I showed by some still thinking he is going to be the Republican nominee.


Well, we know he won't be the official republican nominee.

And I wonder if the "loonie" label is there because the media keeps telling us he's loonie...or because his ideas really are loonie. I see his ideas as historic and in keeping with the founders of this country and I find his honesty refreshing. I'm thinking the protectors of the status quo are the ones who have labelled him loonie....
:peace:

[Elrathin]

Well, we know he won't be the official republican nominee.

And I wonder if the "loonie" label is there because the media keeps telling us he's loonie...or because his ideas really are loonie. I see his ideas as historic and in keeping with the founders of this country and I find his honesty refreshing. I'm thinking the protectors of the status quo are the ones who have labelled him loonie....
:peace:

I can only comment on the loony Ron Paul supporters that I have seen. As I've said before I don't think Ron Paul is loony, just that some of his ideas are extreme.

I really don't see the media portraying Ron Paul as a loony as much as I see the media portraying his supporters as loony.

[potter]

I can only comment on the loony Ron Paul supporters that I have seen. As I've said before I don't think Ron Paul is loony, just that some of his ideas are extreme.

I really don't see the media portraying Ron Paul as a loony as much as I see the media portraying his supporters as loony.


We tend to be a bit more laid back here in Kansas...which may explain why I haven't seen "loonie" here....although I will say I've seen more bumper stickers and yard signs for Paul around here than any other candidate....

[Elrathin]

although I will say I've seen more bumper stickers and yard signs for Paul around here than any other candidate....

The majority of the bumper stickers I've seen are Obama ones, but around the University here there are quite a bit of Ron Paul stickers. I've only seen two Hillary stickers and I've seen no McCain ones at all (which is surprising given Nevada).

[Tessy]

Well, we know he won't be the official republican nominee.


No we don't. The future is not yet known. What if McCain has a heart attack and
dies? How old is that guy anyway? Like almost 80 right? And a recovering cancer
patient at that right?

We of course have no idea what the future holds! Paul has about 100 delegates
right now and there are some other things going on that some people say could
be quite meaningful to a late challenge for the "official R ticket".

I think if he gets in they'll just kill him though. He's up against a mafia that has
no qualms about killing US presidents, foreign heads of state, or thousands of
public citizens in a single whack. Why would they allow Paul to kick them out
of the power they have so long crafted and taken by force over the years? It's
no different today than it was in '63 except maybe in '63 the general public was
more aware (or "awake") of just how evil the men running our shadow government
officially known as the CIA and the CFR (founded in 1921 and secret until the 80's)
are. In '63 regardless of the media coverup that followed, they made damn sure
the message was crystal frigging clear to anyone knowing their butts from their
heads and everyone involved in politics. 1963 and 1999 hold some very uncanny
similarities indeed! 2009 might start a whole new cycle.

[Elrathin]

No we don't. The future is not yet known. What if McCain has a heart attack and
dies?

Aside from McCain dying, Ron Paul has about as much a chance at the Republican Nomination as Bush does admitting he's gay and in love with Michael Moore.

[Buck Laser]

Aside from McCain dying, Ron Paul has about as much a chance at the Republican Nomination as Bush does admitting he's gay and in love with Michael Moore.

I actually worry about that--before the election. Our Chaos Corps loves to talk about chaos among the democrats, but I'd pay admission to watch the republicans try to scrape a ticket together if McCain should die. Only thing I'm sure of is that Ron Paul wouldn't be on the ticket.

[Elrathin]

but I'd pay admission to watch the republicans try to scrape a ticket together if McCain should die. Only thing I'm sure of is that Ron Paul wouldn't be on the ticket.

Buck, I sincerely hope you take that comment back. I personally don't wish any candidate to die to see something.

Honestly the way I would like to see it is a President that is willing to work with a congress, where both don't want to take advantage of the people for gain, money, or some sort of self-morality.

[Tessy]

Elrathin, I think you completely misunderstood Buck's post.

[preservanation]

...Ron Paul supporters are more rabid than those of other candidates? Seriously, not to say each doesn't have his or her share of loonies. But has anyone else noticed, at least on forums and youtube video comments, a higher level of fanaticism for him? Kinda like Obama followers?

[Scribbler1]

What's so bad about being "rabid" in this case? It simply means they see one of the few candidates who differ from the usual gang and they are quite supportive of him, and STRONGLY supportive because they see he is different from "more of the same", "lesser of two evils" and all the other such people we seem to be installing time after time.

Personally, I think we could USE a little more "rabid" in American politics.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Amen Scrib.... ;)