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Alonzo
02-15-2008, 05:18 PM
COLUMBIA, S.C. (May 16, 1997 12:25 p.m. EDT) -- A state Board of Education member, talking Tuesday about displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools, had a ready suggestion for groups who might object to it.

"Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims," Dr. Henry Jordan said during the board's finance and legislative committee meeting. "And put that in the minutes," he added.

The remarks made Tuesday were expunged from the written minutes, but were recorded on tape. The (Columbia) State obtained the tape under the Freedom of Information Act.

Jordan, a surgeon who failed in a bid to get the Republican nomination for lieutenant governor in 1994, said Thursday he thought the meeting was over and members were engaged in private conversation.

The tape, however, shows the committee proceeding to other items on the agenda.

Jordan also said he didn't mean for his comments to be taken literally.

"I was expressing my frustration. We can't teach basic Christianity even from a historical standpoint, but they can teach about Muslims and Buddhists," he said. "They can teach any kind of cult. Buddhism is a cult. So is Islam. I'm getting a little tired of it."

In a television interview Friday, Jordan said no one wants to be tolerant of Christians, although Christians are expected to tolerate other religions, adding: "I did not wish these two religious groups any ill will."

Jordan plans to offer a proposal at the next board meeting to allow students to vote to display the commandments at their school and to pay for it with private money.

"What I want to do is promote Christianity as the only true religion," he said. "This nation was founded to worship, honor and glorify Jesus Christ, not Mohammed, not Buddha."

State Superintendent of Education Barbara Nielsen has dissociated herself and her department from Jordan's remarks. "He's one person, and I don't think his comments reflect the views of the board," she said.

Carl Eisenstadt, a leader of the Buddhist Dharmadhatu in Columbia, said Jordan obviously was intolerant of other religions, while Muhammad Sayed Adley, the imam for the Masjid Al Muslimiin mosque in Columbia, said a school board member should not advocate the killing of Muslims or anyone else in a public meeting.

The two men oppose displaying the Ten Commandments because they feel such efforts are designed to promote Christianity.

It appears unlikely that Jordan could be removed from the board for his comments. The governor can remove state board members only if they are convicted of misconduct.

Jordan was appointed to a four-year term on the 17-member board last month. Board members are chosen by state legislators from each of the state's judicial districts.

http://www.waf.org/familyarchives/relijus/'Screw%20the%20Buddhists%20and%20kill%20the%20Musl ims'%20says%20S.C.%20education%20official.htm

Easy90
02-15-2008, 05:46 PM
What an oaf! "What I want to do is promote Christianity as the only true religion," Yikes!

Pookie
02-15-2008, 06:51 PM
Ehhh...wasn't this country founded on freedom from religion? And doesn't that mean we don't necessarily have to be Christians? Looks like this guy needs to brush up on history!
Purrs,
Pookie

cronic
02-15-2008, 07:11 PM
What an oaf! "What I want to do is promote Christianity as the only true religion," Yikes!


Oh man.. no kidding.. what an oaf!.. and a surgeon yet. I hope the State Board of Education re-evaluates this member.


Ehhh...wasn't this country founded on freedom from religion? And doesn't that mean we don't necessarily have to be Christians? Looks like this guy needs to brush up on history!
Purrs,
Pookie

Double Purrs Pookie my friend.. I don't think I want this guy operating on me!

underdawg
02-15-2008, 07:20 PM
Christians who want to post the Ten Commandments seem to be promoting the Jewish religion instead of Christianity anyway. Sounds pretty dumb.

piratemonkey
02-15-2008, 07:26 PM
Good point, underdawg! I think some Christians like the fire-and-brimstone parts of the OT.

FYI... this story is from 1997. This guy is long gone from the BoE.

Tharagor
02-15-2008, 07:43 PM
Ehhh...wasn't this country founded on freedom from religion? And doesn't that mean we don't necessarily have to be Christians? Looks like this guy needs to brush up on history!
Purrs,
Pookie


It depends on who you ask. In the past people considered different denominations as different religions. At that time some places, even in what would become the United States, had laws requiring adherence to one or another denomination and some places required passing of religious tests prior to taking office.

There are lots of historical basis for the argument that the Freedom of Religion clause was setup to prevent the federal government from interfering with the states right to establish religious laws, which some did.

Personally I would like to see an amendment protecting my freedom from religion. Especially since there are people who strongly believe there is an argument that "proves" to supremacy of any religion over another or the lack thereof.

Lucky13
02-15-2008, 10:18 PM
Guys like this are scary.
What if the students (we know how wild and crazy students can get) decide they want to vote on another religion's manifesto? AND they raise the money to do so. Can they put up a plaque for those religious beliefs? And then of course the atheists and agnostics have to get into the act. Their plaques of course could be blank or maybe just one with a big question mark.
It just all gets so messy.:sadly:

Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims,"
Ahhh..you got to love it...Christianity at its best. Tres embarrassing.

[quote]Jordan also said he didn't mean for his comments to be taken literally.
How did he think they were going to be taken?:dizzy:

And this guy is a doctor?:ecstatic:
Wonderful.
pat

David Hume
02-17-2008, 10:22 PM
Hmmm, he didn't say WHICH version of the Ten Commandments he preferred:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.pdf

Maybe it'd be best if we left religion to the individual and allow parents to decide which version, if any, of these commandments they'd prefer to teach in their own home or place of worship.

moses2792796
02-18-2008, 12:56 AM
The ten commandments suit people who do not understand the deeper meaning of the Bible, they are relatively insignificant. This man obviously doesn't understand either the original or the current meaning of the word, 'cult'.

Jade Rat
03-17-2008, 11:44 AM
Perhaps even non-Christan's would take it as a bit of good advice? Thou shalt not murder, steal, rape, bear false witness, commit adultery- surely these are things we should teach our children isn't it?

Elrathin
03-17-2008, 01:26 PM
The situation is solved very easily. In my high school many many years back we had a course called bible literature, where the bible was looked at, not from a religious standpoint, but from a literature standpoint. Later this course developed so that other religious texts were included as well.

I believe that religious text ARE an important learning tool from a literature and cultural learning point that people really need to look into. We have soo many people ignorant to the Muslim religion it is not even funny. The same goes with the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Wiccan religion.

4Reaganomics
03-17-2008, 01:28 PM
The situation is solved very easily. In my high school many many years back we had a course called bible literature, where the bible was looked at, not from a religious standpoint, but from a literature standpoint. Later this course developed so that other religious texts were included as well.

I believe that religious text ARE an important learning tool from a literature and cultural learning point that people really need to look into. We have soo many people ignorant to the Muslim religion it is not even funny. The same goes with the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Wiccan religion.


I agree El, some people have no idea how violent Muhammad really was

Elrathin
03-17-2008, 01:30 PM
I agree El, some people have no idea how violent Muhammad really was


Have you actually read the Koran from cover to cover? I have. It's an interesting read, you should try it sometime. I've also read the bible from cover to cover as well.

4Reaganomics
03-17-2008, 01:33 PM
Have you studied Muhammad as a historical figure? I have.

Is it troubling that a religion praises this type of character? Sure is.

Elrathin
03-17-2008, 01:35 PM
Have you studied Muhammad as a historical figure? I have.

Is it troubling that a religion praises this type of character? Sure is.


Mischaracterizations happen throughout history on historical figures as well.

Try reading the Koran cover to cover, then come back and tell me the religion is a violent one.

Much like the bible, I can pull out quotes that are out of text to the entire book. That is what I am talking about ignorance of the Muslim religion. You aren't basing it on the Koran, you are basing it on one man and like most things about people in the far past, we really don't know a lot.

4Reaganomics
03-17-2008, 01:39 PM
we know he ripped elders out of the temples in Mecca and used force to implement the belief system of the Muslim people. Most people didn't have a choice but to believe his system and anyone who stood in his way would have went the way of the elders.

Elrathin
03-17-2008, 01:46 PM
we know he ripped elders out of the temples in Mecca and used force to implement the belief system of the Muslim people. Most people didn't have a choice but to believe his system and anyone who stood in his way would have went the way of the elders.


Like I said, I'm not going to argue with someone that hasn't even read the religious text of the religion. It's pointless because you don't have an understanding at all of the Muslim religion I'm sorry. It's a waste of time for me.

It's like looking at Jesus as a historical figure and then saying you know all about the Christian religion. It just doesn't work that way and you know it.

If you truly want to understand the Muslim religion read the Koran from cover to cover. Otherwise, I'm not going to spend time debating with you on this because you don't have a full understanding of the religion.