Obama runs as traitor to the Constitution, by endorsement of criminal bill....

[Osborn F. Enready]

http://obama.senate.gov/press/071211-obama_hagel_can/

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618845.shtml

Read it and weep Obama supporters, unless of course you openly admit your socialist/communist tendencies. (it would make things easier if you did)

[Tharagor]

Many of us openly support socialist type programs. After all, the strongest economy balances social welfare with capitalism.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Tharagor said:
Many of us openly support socialist type programs. After all, the strongest economy balances social welfare with capitalism.

Thank you for your open admission.

As far as your comment about a "balance" between social welfare and capitalism, I would love to see you start the thread and support the "allegation" using reason, facts and reasonable theory, as well as possibly some working examples.

[PatrickHenry]

As foreign policy, I think it would be far better than militarism.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Are you putting forth a lesser of two evils argument Patrick?!?

I thought I knew better than that about you.... ;)

[PatrickHenry]

Well...I am a humanist at heart. :innocent:

And while I think that taxing citizens for aid to poverty-stricken third worlders is misguided, I think that dropping bombs on 'em is far worse.

So, yes...it is the lesser of two evils, and as I see it, US foreign policy has fallen off the cliff of evilness.

Maybe it's time to try some reform on the way to the crash at the bottom...

[potter]

Why the sudden attacks on Obama Osborn?

He eating into Pauls base? :ponder:

I imagine Paul was sort of counting on those disaffected republicans to flock to him...but they're looking at Obama it seems. :ponder:

[Osborn F. Enready]

I am attacking Obama because he should be impeached after openly supporting policy like this, much less running for a HIGHER office.

Also, note that I am attacking ALL of the signers of that bill, not just Obama. They are all traitors.

[AlonzoMourning23]

http://obama.senate.gov/press/071211-obama_hagel_can/

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618845.shtml

Read it and weep Obama supporters, unless of course you openly admit your socialist/communist tendencies. (it would make things easier if you did)


This is your method of attack?

The Global Poverty Act:

* Declares it official U.S. policy to promote the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme global poverty in half by 2015.

* Requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to carry out that policy.

* Includes guidelines for what the strategy should include - from aid, trade, and debt relief, to working with the international community, businesses and NGOs, to ensuring environmental sustainability.

* Requires that the President’s strategy include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables.

* Requires the President to report back to Congress on progress made in the implementation of the global poverty strategy.

:madlaugh::madlaugh::madlaugh::madlaugh:

Sounds like a real loser, he'll never get elected now! :madlaugh::madlaugh:

[Buck Laser]

http://obama.senate.gov/press/071211-obama_hagel_can/

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618845.shtml

Read it and weep Obama supporters, unless of course you openly admit your socialist/communist tendencies. (it would make things easier if you did)

If we're not allowed to use nicknames for presidential candidates, how is it that this guy can call Obama a traitor with complete impunity?

[AlanC]

Well this certainly makes sense. Lyndon Johnson only eliminated poverty in this country. Oops... I forgot, that one didn't work.

[Drocket]

Well this certainly makes sense. Lyndon Johnson only eliminated poverty in this country. Oops... I forgot, that one didn't work.

Actually, it worked extremely well, creating the largest middle class ever in world history. Then Reagan took office, and the rest, as they say, is history.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Buck Laser said:
If we're not allowed to use nicknames for presidential candidates, how is it that this guy can call Obama a traitor with complete impunity?

How is traitor a nickname?

Its called an objective statement, based on his actions in treason to aid foreign economies off the back of working people in this country, without the right to do so, against the nature of the role of our government, and against his oath to protect the rights of American citizens.

How you spin that in to a "nickname" is beyond me.

Besides, have you seen how Paul supporters have been abused in this forum, as well as Paul himself? Talk about hypocrisy. :madlaugh:

[Buck Laser]

Buck Laser said:
If we're not allowed to use nicknames for presidential candidates, how is it that this guy can call Obama a traitor with complete impunity?

How is traitor a nickname?

Its called an objective statement, based on his actions in treason to aid foreign economies off the back of working people in this country, without the right to do so, against the nature of the role of our government, and against his oath to protect the rights of American citizens.

How you spin that in to a "nickname" is beyond me.

Besides, have you seen how Paul supporters have been abused in this forum, as well as Paul himself? Talk about hypocrisy. :madlaugh:

So now it seems to be OK that if your guy, Paul gets abused it's OK to call someone else a traitor? I'm not gonna waste any more time arguing with a blind ideologue, except to say that I do not believe that Obama is in any way, shape or form a "traitor." I can't tell you what to believe, but I can sure as hell tell you what I think of such foolish excess.

As to the "nickname" question, let's just call it an appellation. Is that better?

[Elrathin]

Ron Paul supporters are just bitter because he didn't get the nomination.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Buck Laser said:
If we're not allowed to use nicknames for presidential candidates, how is it that this guy can call Obama a traitor with complete impunity?

How is traitor a nickname?

Its called an objective statement, based on his actions in treason to aid foreign economies off the back of working people in this country, without the right to do so, against the nature of the role of our government, and against his oath to protect the rights of American citizens.

How you spin that in to a "nickname" is beyond me.

Besides, have you seen how Paul supporters have been abused in this forum, as well as Paul himself? Talk about hypocrisy. :madlaugh:


I've kept by abuse directed at Paul, I can only think of once or twice where I slipped and targeted supporters and I FP'ed them.

But it's not the use of nicknames per se, its replacing the actual name with the nickname. "traitor Obama" is fine "traitor osama" is not.

[AlanC]

Well this certainly makes sense. Lyndon Johnson only eliminated poverty in this country. Oops... I forgot, that one didn't work.

Actually, it worked extremely well, creating the largest middle class ever in world history. Then Reagan took office, and the rest, as they say, is history.



Actually, the war on poverty has been an abject failure anyway you look at it. While the percentage of people living below the poverty level has dropped, that is only because the population has increased. The actual core number of people living in poverty is the same now as it was when Johnson declared his war. Last year we had 59 Federal Programs spending in excess of 100 Billion dollars to combat poverty.

That is hardly waging a winning war for poverty's elimination. And now Obama wants to do the same thing globally? God help us.

[Truth_and_Power]

As to the "nickname" question, let's just call it an appellation. Is that better?


Why don't you call it a predicate nominative?

[potter]

I am attacking Obama because he should be impeached after openly supporting policy like this, much less running for a HIGHER office.

Also, note that I am attacking ALL of the signers of that bill, not just Obama. They are all traitors.


Thanks for that Osborn. IMO, the charges you level seem dubious or perhaps purposly misinterpreted by the author to slander. (swiftboating comes to mind) JMO....doesn't seem like your style.....

[gpruitt54]

Obama runs as traitor to the Constitution...


After almost eight years of Bush (The Fuhrer) doing his hardest to shove as much of the United States Constitution as he can get his greasy hands on into the office shredder, you now discover the phrase “traitor to the constitution?” If it weren’t so shameful, it might be funny. Yeah, it is a joke, but not the funny kind.

Is this the kind of nonsense we can expect from the Bush heel-clickers?

This nation’s founding fathers must be spinning in their graves!

[PatrickHenry]

Osborn has never favored Bush in the four years I have known him.

I think he just feels that Obama will be as bad in a different way.

[preservanation]

The attacks on Bush are almost over.
The attacks on Obama are just starting.
Hallelujah

[Tharagor]

The attacks on Bush are almost over.
The attacks on Obama are just starting.
Hallelujah


Well of course, Bush is almost gone (hallelujah), and when (if we're so lucky) Obama gets into office it'll be a lot easier for the liberals to defend him than it was for the conservatives to defend Bush.

Of course, the comedians might get lucky, we could get saddled with McCain.

[preservanation]

Tharagor, my friend, the libs defended Bill Clinton...Ed Gein would be a field day after that.

Obama is a target from heaven.
There is no there, "there"
It is very likely that Obama will disintegrate like a ball of ice-cream pitched over home plate on a hot summer day.

[Tharagor]

Tharagor, my friend, the libs defended Bill Clinton


I defended Bill Clinton. He was impeached for lying about a BJ? $40+ million and all they could hang him on was lying about a BJ?

:madlaugh:

[preservanation]

No, you were not paying attention...Clinton was convicted of subornation of perjury, perjury, lying under oath and obstruction of justice, thus he was impeached and was disbarred.

[Tharagor]

No, you were not paying attention...Clinton was convicted of subornation of perjury, perjury, lying under oath and obstruction of justice, thus he was impeached and was disbarred.


All stemming from lying about getting a bj.

:thumbsup:

Compare that to the mountain of Bush lies and the nearly trillion dollars the Iraq debacle will cost us.

[preservanation]

Yet...Nothing has been proved.
Better get on the stick, you only have nine months left.
BTW, I thought that was job one for the Dem Congress in 06, along with denying funds for Iraq. What happened?
What a let-down for you.

[Tharagor]

Yet...Nothing has been proved.
Better get on the stick, you only have nine months left.


Sorry preserva, I'm actually a well researched (Congressional Reports: Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq) liberal.

Of course, there's also UNMOVIC reports (http://www.unmovic.org/).


BTW, I thought that was job one for the Dem Congress in 06, along with denying funds for Iraq. What happened?
What a let-down for you.


I'm a liberal, not a Democrat. I think the congress is full of pantie waists (keeping it clean for the forums).

[Osborn F. Enready]

gpruitt, please show me ONE POST, from ANY forum where I have supported George Bush?!?? (good luck)

Give the lablemaker a break, and try reading my posts and responding with reason.... :love:

potter said:
Thanks for that Osborn. IMO, the charges you level seem dubious or perhaps purposly misinterpreted by the author to slander. (swiftboating comes to mind)

I have told everyone to check the sources, and I stated there are MANY sources out there on this issue. I am pointing out that as an American citizens, I am not about to sit by and watch as another hypocrite politician sells away the rights of the American people, as individuals. Obama, and all of the pushers of this legislation are making small changes to arrange big end goals, and that end goal is the erosion of individual rights, and the current constitution. (whats left of it, after the last 16 years of corrupt bi-partisan legislation and appointments)

If Ron Paul had sponsored this bill, I would be arguing against him as much as any of the other signers.

potter said:
JMO....doesn't seem like your style.....

Well, I am fairly new here and my arguments aren't well established here yet for reference. Over time you will see I have a common thread between all of my debate, which is the non-partisan protection of ALL citizens individual rights, and the preservation of Constitutional government policy, while removing that which has been passed that is NOT constitutional.

Elrathin said:
Ron Paul supporters are just bitter because he didn't get the nomination.

I never expected him to get the nomination, but I still support him regardless of if he is in the race or out. I support the individual, not the party, and I couldn't vote for any of the other candidates from EITHER of the major parties in good conscience. I will vote third party most likely if Paul isn't nominated, as I would have before he ran.

Buck Laser said:
So now it seems to be OK that if your guy, Paul gets abused it's OK to call someone else a traitor?

No, I was pointing out how you weren't lobbying for those who insulted Paul, to be banned, as you did for me. Regardless, its trivial.

Buck Laser said:
I'm not gonna waste any more time arguing with a blind ideologue, except to say that I do not believe that Obama is in any way, shape or form a "traitor."

So who's the blind ideologue? The one who continues the debate, or the one who walks away when they hear bad things about the person they support?!? LOL

Buck Laser said:
I can't tell you what to believe, but I can sure as hell tell you what I think of such foolish excess.

Ditto, back at ya.

Buck Laser said:
As to the "nickname" question, let's just call it an appellation. Is that better?

Call it what you want, we obviously don't share many common word definitions anyway, so why split hairs? :love: