Chelsea has breakfast with superdelegate.

[apdst]

Nooooo, Chelsea isn't being pimped out. Not at all.

If this boy don't get no ass outta this deal, he's stupid!

College Junior Breakfasts With Chelsea Clinton
21-Year-Old Wisconsin Super Delegate Gets Face Time With Former First Daughter
Chelsea Clinton speaks to supporters Friday, Feb. 8, 2008 after a campaign event for her mother, Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., at Bowdoin College in Brunswick, Maine. (Joel Page/AP Photo) By KAREN TRAVERS
Feb. 11, 2008

Share Jason Rae is a typical junior in college.

He spends several hours a day in class at Marquette University in Wisconsin where he is majoring in history and political science. He is closely following the Marquette basketball team and has the Golden Eagles' schedule memorized.

But not many 21-year-olds start their Monday with a personal breakfast with Chelsea Clinton, as Rae did this morning at the student union at the nearby University of Milwaukee.

Rae got the one-on-one treatment from the former — and possibly future — first daughter because he is a Democratic National Committee member from Wisconsin and thus a "super delegate," one of the 796 free agents who can back any candidate in the race for the Democratic nomination.


Never Voted Before
Rae may be a typical college junior but he is certainly not the typical DNC super delegate.


He is only 21 years old — he has never voted in a presidential election because he turned 18 after Election Day in 2004.

Since the race between New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is so tight, Rae has become a power broker of sorts, as both campaigns push hard to lock down the support of super delegates.

Rae said he and Chelsea Clinton talked about electability and mobilizing young people to get involved in politics. He said she spoke about what states her mother can carry in the general election and what demographics favor her candidacy. The two talked about how the campaign's operations were going in the states and what she is seeing on the ground.


Obama or Clinton: Will Party Elite or Voters Decide?The breakfast lasted about 30 minutes. Rae said he had to hustle back to campus and get to his afternoon classes.

Rae was elected as a DNC member at the Wisconsin state party convention in June 2004. He was 17 years old at the time but there are no party rules that say a DNC member has to be of voting age. Rae ran against and defeated the president of the state firefighters' union and a state legislator.

Rae has been called on his cell phone by former President Clinton and former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright who tried to woo him to the Clinton side and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who was pushing for Rae to endorse Obama.

Link (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4273078&page=1)[

[Alonzo]

Lets see, I have a 21 year old superdelegate. I can send a 60 year old, who could be his grandpa, to convince him or I could send a mid 20 year old to convince him.

In your mind you apparently go with grandpa.

[Scorpion]

She's a Clinton. She'll put out to get a vote for mommy.

[apdst]

She's a Clinton. She'll put out to get a vote for mommy.

If she was having breakfast with me, she would put out to get the vote...LOL!

[Scorpion]

She's a Clinton. She'll put out to get a vote for mommy.

If she was having breakfast with me, she would put out to get the vote...LOL!


My guess is that she just lays there and lets it happen. Kind of like what Hillary does when Bill needs a little and his female staffers aren't available.

[Alonzo]

She's a Clinton. She'll put out to get a vote for mommy.

If she was having breakfast with me, she would put out to get the vote...LOL!



She's a Clinton. She'll put out to get a vote for mommy.

If she was having breakfast with me, she would put out to get the vote...LOL!


My guess is that she just lays there and lets it happen. Kind of like what Hillary does when Bill needs a little and his female staffers aren't available.


I see, maybe I'll have to rephrase it in a way you two will understand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nnBLMdwbQQ

[just a grunt]

Zo, that's cruel. She's no beauty, but didn't deserve that.

[apdst]

I think she's kinda cute. She ain't a spotted pig.

[underdawg]

I think this is a sign of the desperate situation that Hillary is under. It seems that the ordinary people seem to be going towards Obama and Hillary is trying to court the super delegates into voting for her now. It is easier to go after the democratic "elite" than to convince the rank and file ordinary Americans. Personally, I think the idea of having super delegates shows a distrust for the will of the rank and file democrats. Those select few seems to have more of a voice than others on the left. Perhaps the delegates that we seen to the conventions will vote to have the vote of the super delegate tossed out.

[Buck Laser]

I think the attacks by our right wing posters on Miss Clinton for doing this go so far over the top that it's absolutely disgusting. I'm gonna avoid the temptation to make some suggestions about their mothers, but I just wish I could quit thinking about what I'd like to say.

Today on MSNBC, I saw Chelsea addressing a group in WI about Hillary's health care plan. They cut away after about five minutes, but I was VERY impressed with what she said and how she said it. For content, I'd give her an A+, but only an A- for delivery: she isn't as accomplished a public speaker as her parents, but I wonder how good they were in their 20s.

For what it's worth, I'm strongly for Obama, but Hillary's health care plan has some strengths that I wish were in Obama's plan.

[lily]

Zo, that's cruel. She's no beauty, but didn't deserve that.
[hr]
I think she's kinda cute. She ain't a spotted pig.



Duh.........I ain't Zo......but I believe the pig was meant for the both of you....at least that's how I interpret your comments.


I honestly don't see the problem here......she's campaigning for her mother.......what do you want her to do, sit and make phone calls?

[apdst]

Duh.........I ain't Zo......but I believe the pig was meant for the both of you....at least that's how I interpret your comments.

Yeah, I know who it was meant for, thank you for telling me that, Lily.

I honestly don't see the problem here......she's campaigning for her mother.......what do you want her to do, sit and make phone calls?

Personally, I don't give a shit what she does. She could fuck the dude on camera, for all I care. My point, is that they shouldn't get their thongs in a knot over a single comment from the media, then send their daughter to flirt with a 21 y/o superdelegate, over breakfast. If they can't take the heat, they should get out of the kitchen.

[PatrickHenry]

I think the attacks by our right wing posters on Miss Clinton for doing this go so far over the top that it's absolutely disgusting. I'm gonna avoid the temptation to make some suggestions about their mothers, but I just wish I could quit thinking about what I'd like to say.
I agree, Buck.

I think the level of decorum around here has been tanking lately.

And I know well enough that Scorpion has some significant ability to debate. He simply chooses to degrade the discussion.

Hard to figger some people...

Saying crude things about the daughter of a candidate for president is unworthy. Why not just stay with the issue that we have an influential member of the candidate's family doing something personal with a delegate?

[lily]

Yeah, I know who it was meant for, thank you for telling me that, Lily.

You're welcome.



Personally, I don't give a sh1t what she does. She could f_ck the dude on camera, for all I care. My point, is that they shouldn't get their thongs in a knot over a single comment from the media, then send their daughter to flirt with a 21 y/o superdelegate, over breakfast. If they can't take the heat, they should get out of the kitchen.

Having breakfast and talking is somehow now flirting?
WHEW!

Can I have a ladder.......that's a pretty far stretch.

[apdst]

I think the attacks by our right wing posters on Miss Clinton for doing this go so far over the top that it's absolutely disgusting.

That's a hoot! Bush's kids have always been off limits, too. Right?

[lily]

Yeah, Barbara pretty much.........and Jenna only when she screwed up......but I really don't see how that compares to saying Chelsea pretty much fucked this guy for his vote.......or as you so elequently put it.........them pimping out their daughter.

[Pookie]

Did anyone see Chelsea in a compromising position with this guy? I haven't seen or heard any reports of anything like that, so I'm assuming it's what it was - a candidate's daughter having breakfast with a superdelegate.
It's election year! We're going to be seeing all kinds of people with other people here and there.
Purrs,
Pookie

[Buck Laser]

Yeah, Barbara pretty much.........and Jenna only when she screwed up......but I really don't see how that compares to saying Chelsea pretty much fucked this guy for his vote.......or as you so elequently put it.........them pimping out their daughter.

Lily, the point is that apdst just said that because he could. He knows he has no basis for it, so it's essentially a lie. If Harry Truman were around, and Chelsea were his daughter, he'd whack apdst upside the head with a two by four. And he'd deserve it.

I'm getting to the point where I cannot ABIDE the nastiness of some of the right wing posters here. I may have to take a few days' vacation to keep from blowing a gasket--literally.

[apdst]

saying Chelsea pretty much fucked this guy

No, Buck, that's the lie. I never said that she fucked anyone. That's the skill of invention that Liberals have.

[cronic]

I'm getting to the point where I cannot ABIDE the nastiness of some of the right wing posters here. I may have to take a few days' vacation to keep from blowing a gasket--literally.


It's ok Buck.. Take a few days if you need to.. or do like me.. Laugh at their inabilities to debate logically and without insults. I have only been here a few weeks and I'm loving the people I debate against..I'm glad I found this place. Makes me feel like a professor teaching in a kindergarten class.

Chelsea doesn't deserve the insulting remarks but if she knew about them.. she would also know the source in which they came and then have to consider the source's level of intelligence, thus making her realize feelling bad about them would be a waste of time.

[preservanation]

Yeah, Barbara pretty much.........and Jenna only when she screwed up......but I really don't see how that compares to saying Chelsea pretty much fucked this guy for his vote.......or as you so elequently put it.........them pimping out their daughter.
Does this vindicate Schuster?
Maybe he'll get his job back.

[Buck Laser]

saying Chelsea pretty much fucked this guy

No, Buck, that's the lie. I never said that she fucked anyone. That's the skill of invention that Liberals have.

Time for a little reality check, apdst. This is what you wrote in your original post:
If this boy don't get no ass outta this deal, he's stupid!
So, with all due respect, it's clear to me that you're the liar. I'm not a bit surprised, though.

[apdst]

So, with all due respect, it's clear to me that you're the liar. I'm not a bit surprised, though.

And you're a no good word twisting bastard, sir. With all due respect, of course. Did I say she fucked him? I sad he oughta try to fuck her, but never said that she fucked him. But, hey, you Libs will do anything when you go on the defensive. Won't you?

[ViolaLee]

apdst you've been called out on your crude, dishonest ignorance. Just take it like a man.

[apdst]

apdst you've been called out on your crude, dishonest ignorance. Just take it like a man.

No, I've been personally attacked for expressing an opinion. But, I expect no less from Liberals.

[Buck Laser]

So, with all due respect, it's clear to me that you're the liar. I'm not a bit surprised, though.

And you're a no good word twisting bastard, sir. With all due respect, of course. Did I say she fucked him? I sad he oughta try to f_ck her, but never said that she fucked him. But, hey, you Libs will do anything when you go on the defensive. Won't you?

You can dance around it all you want to. If you were a grownup, you'd be able to own it. Oh well...:shame:

[Elrathin]

I sad he oughta try to f_ck her, but never said that she fucked him.


No you said that HE WOULD BE STUPID if he didn't fuck her, meaning that she was going to put out no matter what. This thread has proven just how disgusting conservatives can be. The moral right? Puuuhlease.

[preservanation]

All this plays right into the Clintons hands.
They play the victim better than any political family in America.
For them to be able to paint Chelsea as the dainty flower being attacked by the vast right wing hate mongers puts a big smile on their face.
Look for them to trot these examples out right before next Tues primaries.
You can bet on it.

However:
Discussing this issue in these terms really has no redeeming value.

[Elrathin]

All this plays right into the Clintons hands.
They play the victim better than any political family in America.
For them to be able to paint Chelsea as the dainty flower being attacked by the vast right wing hate mongers puts a big smile on their face.
Look for them to trot these examples out right before next Tues primaries.
You can bet on it.


Then why do you play into their hands Pres? You and everyone here that made those type of remarks are doing it. You say you hate it, yet you are part of the problem with it.

Why do you feel to make the remarks you did in regards to Chelsea? Just because she is a Clinton does that means she deserves you and others basically calling her a slut?

[preservanation]

this is what I saidDoes this vindicate Schuster?
Maybe he'll get his job back. I thought it fit very well with prescient issues, and was tongue and cheek
Now if you want to interpret that as me calling her a slut, so be it, but then Schuster, a proud left wing bomb-throwing ideologue said it first.

[Buck Laser]

All this plays right into the Clintons hands.
They play the victim better than any political family in America.
For them to be able to paint Chelsea as the dainty flower being attacked by the vast right wing hate mongers puts a big smile on their face.
Look for them to trot these examples out right before next Tues primaries.
You can bet on it.


Then why do you play into their hands Pres? You and everyone here that made those type of remarks are doing it. You say you hate it, yet you are part of the problem with it.

Why do you feel to make the remarks you did in regards to Chelsea? Just because she is a Clinton does that means she deserves you and others basically calling her a slut?

Y'know, it's amusing how right-wingers accuse us lefties of being whiners, when they're always the ones complaining, isn't it? Maybe someone oughtta post a dictionary definition of whining, just so people would understand that most of the whining, pissing & moaning, and bitching comes from our brethren who've fallen off the road on the right side. :madlaugh:

I mean, look at Preserves: he's claiming that the Clintons are going to claim victim status. I don't talk to him directly since he's the sole member of my ignore list, but I'd like to make a little proxy bet that they won't say a thing about this little episode. :clapper:

[ViolaLee]

I mean, look at Preserves: he's claiming that the Clintons are going to claim victim status. I don't talk to him directly since he's the sole member of my ignore list, but I'd like to make a little proxy bet that they won't say a thing about this little episode. :clapper:

Are you allowed to have a moderator on ignore?

[Buck Laser]

I mean, look at Preserves: he's claiming that the Clintons are going to claim victim status. I don't talk to him directly since he's the sole member of my ignore list, but I'd like to make a little proxy bet that they won't say a thing about this little episode. :clapper:

Are you allowed to have a moderator on ignore?

I guess we'll find out, won't we? But I think it's OK. He can still ding me as a mod regardless of whether I'm paying attention. But I don't think a mod can put a member on ignore. Anyway, I still don't have to read his posts unless someone else quotes him.

[Alonzo]

Mods can ignore you and you can ignore a mod, but neither is recommended. Don't complain if you are warned about something and get penalized because you did not see the warning.

[Professor]

It is a desparate attempt, but in campainging they must use everything they have. Is it worse than others putting their wives and kids onstage with them?

[just a grunt]

Prof., IMO going out to meet with, and attempt to influence, a specific delegate is a couple of notches up the scale from a photo op with mom or dad. The influencing is a task typically reserved for professional staff.

[Professor]

Prof., IMO going out to meet with, and attempt to influence, a specific delegate is a couple of notches up the scale from a photo op with mom or dad. The influencing is a task typically reserved for professional staff.


But this isn't an ordinary deligate either. He's 21.

[apdst]

But this isn't an ordinary deligate either. He's 21.

A 27 y/o hottie of a daughter came in handy. Huh?

[just a grunt]

But this isn't an ordinary deligate either. He's 21.

A 27 y/o hottie of a daughter came in handy. Huh?


It appears that this thread has come full circle.

[preservanation]

All this plays right into the Clintons hands.
They play the victim better than any political family in America.
For them to be able to paint Chelsea as the dainty flower being attacked by the vast right wing hate mongers puts a big smile on their face.
Look for them to trot these examples out right before next Tues primaries.
You can bet on it.


Then why do you play into their hands Pres? You and everyone here that made those type of remarks are doing it. You say you hate it, yet you are part of the problem with it.

Why do you feel to make the remarks you did in regards to Chelsea? Just because she is a Clinton does that means she deserves you and others basically calling her a slut?

Y'know, it's amusing how right-wingers accuse us lefties of being whiners, when they're always the ones complaining, isn't it? Maybe someone oughtta post a dictionary definition of whining, just so people would understand that most of the whining, pissing & moaning, and bitching comes from our brethren who've fallen off the road on the right side. :madlaugh:

I mean, look at Preserves: he's claiming that the Clintons are going to claim victim status. I don't talk to him directly since he's the sole member of my ignore list, but I'd like to make a little proxy bet that they won't say a thing about this little episode. :clapper:
I gave you my thoughts on how I think the Clintons have and will use any and all little episode to their advantage. Look what happened to Schuster! Intimidation and feigned outrage.
Mine is not whining, it is a commentary and prediction, born out through experience observing this political family for sixteen years now.

I never put anything past them. You will come to see this as well, come the convention in Denver.
The scales shall fall from you eyes, and you too shall see.

[Truth_and_Power]

Twenty seven is to young to be involved in politics! This is an outrage! Somebody call the press!@#$

[brien]

The first aspect I wish to comment on here was her mother's tacit agreement that her staff said FNC was being "fair and balanced" with this issue as opposed to MSNBC. I thought this interesting in light of some other opinions around here on FNC.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/12/hillary-suggests-fox-news-fairer-her-msnbc

Now to the real meat of this. The Hillary express is planning to use the Super Delegates to trump Ombama at the Convention this summer if they lose the popular vote in the primary. I saw a super delegate interviewed in PA, he was the mayor of some town there. He looked right into the camera and said he didn't care if Obama won the popular vote in PA or not, he was casting his vote at the convention for Hillary, no if, ands, or buts.

It is this support that the Clintons are beginning to whip up with the party regulars because they know if they lose the popular vote across this land, they can steal the nomination in the convention process. I don't doubt them for one nano second. They will fight with all of their dirty tricks.:fight:

Imagine the rancor, the bitterness, and party implosion if the Clintons pull it off this summer in this manner. The Democratic party will literally implode and I wouldn't be surprised to see it split into to factions, the Old Liberal camp who made their bones in the Hubert Humphrey Liberalism of the 60's, and the New Liberal Left camp supported by Moveon.org and George Soros.

In any event, it will be a very interesting Democratic National Convention if Hillary and Obama go into the convention with Obama having the lead in the popular vote of the primary. Can't wait.

you can follow the delegate commitment race at this link.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

[Buck Laser]

Now to the real meat of this. The Hillary express is planning to use the Super Delegates to trump Ombama at the Convention this summer if they lose the popular vote in the primary. I saw a super delegate interviewed in PA, he was the mayor of some town there. He looked right into the camera and said he didn't care if Obama won the popular vote in PA or not, he was casting his vote at the convention for Hillary, no if, ands, or buts.

Given the rate at which Obama is accumulating delegates, I doubt that the super delegates will be able to exercise much power at the convention..

I think the days are gone when a small cabal could control the actions of either the democrats or republicans. That may be Bush's greatest accomplishment.

[preservanation]

Personally I think brian is on to something.
We should all watch this closely.