Miami Police Shot Protester, then laugh about it.

[jafar00]

This is not funny at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0

[cronic]

The video with the police laughing about shooting the lady in the forehead really shows how disrespectful they are. what an interesting way of showing how they are "serving and protecting" the public

[Cobra]

Worthless pigs but that's how it goes.

[Scorpion]

A hilarious example of precision shooting. Way to go MPD!

[el comandante]

Imagine that happened in Venezuela or Cuba - The empire would be acting outraged, at such disregard for peaceful protestors. It would be used as 'evidence' of an authoritarian regime.

[potter]

Imagine that happened in Venezuela or Cuba - The empire would be acting outraged, at such disregard for peaceful protestors. It would be used as 'evidence' of an authoritarian regime.



But....but.....we're different...it's OK if we do stuff like this...and torture...and denying basic human rights....and assassinations....

American has a pass to do these things, nobody else does.

[Labrocca]

So a rubber bullet is torture, denying of human rights, or an assassination?

Please...it was funny in context. It's not like at the moment she was shot they laughed at her. It was later..she wasn't killed or even seriously injured. And she was behind a freaking SIGN! Those rubber bullets are NOT lethal or accurate. And the shooter could NOT have been targetting her head on purpose. Also if you have a person that is NOT following police instructions that is "hiding" then it's imho appropriate to act on that. She could have had a weapon herself.

[BoogyMan]

Looking at the video it seems it was her intention to get the police to take some kind of action against her.

You will also notice the video only shows cut scenes and NOT what the woman might have done to cause the riot police to shoot at her.

There is not enough information provided to take a position as to whether or not this was justified.

[ttriber]

She had it coming to her just by being their.

[Elrathin]

She had it coming to her just by being their.


Many Republicans and conservatives sound more and more like they'd rather live in Russia or China each and every day.

[Labrocca]

Many Republicans and conservatives sound more and more like they'd rather live in Russia or China each and every day.

lol...and more and more liberals believe they already do live in Russia or China.

[piratemonkey]

Please...it was funny in context.

It's funny until it happens to you.

[cronic]

It's funny until it happens to you.


Exactly man, When people are expressing there constitutional right to freedom of speech and the right to protest they shouldn't be getting shot with anything.. even rubber bullets.
It's sad people think its funny to.. I wonder if certain people here in this thread making excuses for the police and saying this is all funny .. in context or in any other way, would feel the same if it was there mom getting the pelt in the forehead. What if the lady would have lost her eye, would anyone here also say she deserved that to. Would more excuses be made?
Didn't you see the ignorant comment about her maybe having a gun?.. How was that for an excuse to shoot the lady with the sign.. lmao...funny huh.. In the video I seen her holding her sign up above her head with both hands.. Oh wait.. at one point she lifted her dress slightly to show she had got shot in the leg.. hmm.. maybe she was hiding that gun up there huh? See how some people say the most stupid things sometimes in defending the police. This coming from someone who also thinks a cop cleaning his gun while loaded and in the dark, who shoots a kid in the process.. should get a 2 week unpaid suspension and believes what he did was a legit accident..POST #2 (http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=11388&page=1) If you ask me..Its just wrong that someone would rather make fun of a person for standing up for what they believe in instead they make excuses for the police shooting at them. ~ shakes head ~

[Tessy]

She had it coming to her just by being their.


Many Republicans and conservatives sound more and more like they'd rather live in Russia or China each and every day.


I totally agree! A demonstration is where we stand non-violently, up for our rights and against whatever it is that we're protesting. That fact that there were more than a few cops casually making the beat as it should be speaks to the police state that we're moving toward. Now there are "Free Speech Zones" for crying out loud - as if to say that we only have rights in those few, out-of-the-way places.

The NeoCon choke hold those freaks have on our nation and the news groups and on our election booths is sick! And the mindless dweebs and yuppies too self important to think for themselves or study even the history of the past 100 years swallow it hook line and sinker and ask for more. FEED US HANITY, FEED US O'REILY for we can't manage an opinion from historical fact or public record.

Hehe, Someone should rewrite the lords prayer for these people!

Give us each day, our daily spin
So that we, with the majority of others in this nation can not know what's going on either. :(

[jafar00]

The fact that they were laughing about shooting an innocent women cowering behind a sign is disgusting.

[Labrocca]

Didn't you see the ignorant comment about her maybe having a gun?

Ignorant comment? Sure bud.

What if the lady would have lost her eye, would anyone here also say she deserved that to.

She didn't get hurt or lose an eye. They didn't laugh immediately after they shot her. They laughed later on when it was clear she was ok. I broke my arm in half skateboarding...it wasn't funny at the time. But I sure do laugh about it now with my friends who were there. Time has a way of making things funny.

Do you think this would have been funny in 1945?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4v6qRdnKas

So because the officers laughed they should be what? Fired? Sued for laughing?

Its just wrong that someone would rather make fun of a person for standing up for what they believe in instead they make excuses for the police shooting at them.

Luckily no one here is making fun of her for that. They are laughing that one of their guys got a rather point blank shot on a protestor. And it's you that's making excuses. What evidence do you offer of her innocence?

Have you ever watched America's Funniest Videos? It's almost all about people falling down and getting hurt...even small kids.

http://www.answers.com/humor?nafid=3

The ability to perceive, enjoy, or express what is amusing, comical, incongruous, or absurd.

Go look up incongrous and absurd...maybe then you will understand the humor aspect of this. I have laid out point blank irrefutably that the cops laughed APPROPRIATELY.

Now if you want to argue they didn't have to shoot her fine BUT ...the video is edited and we don't see her actions now do we? I wonder why that is?

And talk about another BIG video that was so "outrageous" for liberals..."Don't tas me bro" is another PERFECT example of laughing at a situation. Even the idiot kid admitted later he was wrong. The clips and that statement are not political cries..no...they are now comical statements used to get a laugh.

And Cronic...don't fear using my name. I am not "some person" or "certain people" or a "they". It's insulting that you are obviously taking about me but not to me. If you disagree with me fine...say so.

[Pookie]

But Labrocca, I used to be a cop, and I feel they should never have laughed about this, much less made a video/did laugh when videotaped. Unfortunately, some cops do act like this sometimes.
I understand about laughing at a situation. I just have trouble when police officers /law enforcement officers do it in a way that can be seen by the public.
Purrs,
Pookie

[Truth_and_Power]

She could have had a weapon herself.


I could be immortal.. good reason to pray to me?

[piratemonkey]

She didn't get hurt or lose an eye.

Get shot by a rubber bullet and tell me it doesn't hurt. :rolleyes:


Have you ever watched America's Funniest Videos? It's almost all about people falling down and getting hurt...even small kids.

If you can't tell the difference between someone unintentionally hurting themselves and purposeful violence by people in uniform, you are lost.

[Tessy]

Labrocca Wrote:
"So because the officers laughed they should be what? Fired? Sued for laughing?"

I think we all understand why they laughed. I do at least. (several of my
family members are uniformed workers for a sherif's department in the
US somewhere.) Laughing at that woman and at the incident is not a crime
of course but it does show the mind-set and the inconsideration for human
rights of the many mongrels that are hired on the force these days. Some
good men still remain but they are becoming a rarity.

Sure you can laugh. You can laugh at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ

and many comedy productions have indeed done so. But those same
comedians would probably not laugh at or during the event - that
would be insane. Just as it is insane for those officers to laugh at
that time in that place and under those conditions. Sociopathic
disconnection from mayhem, oppression, and the destruction
of our values as a society when perpetrated by your own actions
is simply not funny.

I realize you are defending yourself after displaying just how
desensitized our media, games, and movies make you (us all)
but you need to ALSO admit that aspect of it at the same time.

I think it's rather unhealthy not to.

[cronic]

Didn't you see the ignorant comment about her maybe having a gun?


Ignorant comment? Sure bud.

The way I read your post concerning her possibly having a gun sounded ignorant to me because it sounded like you were only attempting to making excuses for her being shot by the police by saying she may have had a gun rather then trying to explain why she looked like a threat in the first place. (yes, a gun would be a threat ). A lady holding a sign to me is not a threat. Why would she have a gun? Would you think she may have thought she could use it against the entire police force in full riot gear perhaps? Where could this gun have been? In a pocket on her red dress? Your statement saying she may have had a gun to me sounds as ludicrous as saying maybe she had grenades shoved up her bottom or maybe some plastic explosive under her armpits. Perhaps she had some cyanide gas tucked away in her hair also.
If you want to use the fact that the video was edited for your defense thats fine but I will then ask.. why haven't the police came out with the full unedited version then, in an attempt to show and substantiate there reasons for seeing her as a threat and why the need to shoot.

What if the lady would have lost her eye, would anyone here also say she deserved that to.


She didn't get hurt or lose an eye. They didn't laugh immediately after they shot her. They laughed later on when it was clear she was ok. I broke my arm in half skateboarding...it wasn't funny at the time. But I sure do laugh about it now with my friends who were there. Time has a way of making things funny.

The question was "what if", not she did get hurt or lose an eye..
I'm sorry you broke your arm when you was younger and I suppose after the fact, if you or any of your friends elect to laugh about it thats fine also.. But that is quite a bit different then the police, on video tape no less, laughing at the public they are paid to serve and protect.

I will also, still hold to the statement I made that if it was your mom you would think differently. If you say, no, you wouldn't, and you would still laugh, then you are far different then I because if that was my mom.. I'd personally be more upset then if it wasn't my mom.. Why? Simply put, because it was my mother.. People see things a bit differently in this world when it involves a loved one..( another example is someone saying they don't believe in the death penalty, then someone close to them is murdered.. That person could very well change their minds about the death penalty then )..In any event.. that is why I posed the question in the first place.. "what if it was your mom"


So because the officers laughed they should be what? Fired? Sued for laughing?

Thats a good question.. I never thought about addressing their punishment. I'm not sure they can be punished Labrocca. I certainly don't think they should be fired or sued.. Its not my official duty to punish them, but I will still try to give you my personal opinion since you asked me.. I guess the fair thing to do would be first explain to them there mistake for laughing at a citizen they are serving who was only standing up for what they believe in.. I understand they have a job to do but let them know there job "isn't" to laugh at the public they are being paid by! Maybe an apology would be nice also to the lady they felt the need to shoot and laugh at.

Its just wrong that someone would rather make fun of a person for standing up for what they believe in instead they make excuses for the police shooting at them.


Luckily no one here is making fun of her for that. They are laughing that one of their guys got a rather point blank shot on a protestor. And it's you that's making excuses. What evidence do you offer of her innocence?

I'm not quite sure what excuses you claim I'm making, but the question of evidence of her innocence is another fine question.. It's a question no one should have to ask unless they are still in elementary school, or from a different country. None the less It's a question I can easily answer and will be happy to answer for you. The answer my friend... One is presumed innocent in this country before found guilty!

The ability to perceive, enjoy, or express what is amusing, comical, incongruous, or absurd.


Go look up incongrous and absurd...maybe then you will understand the humor aspect of this. I have laid out point blank irrefutably that the cops laughed APPROPRIATELY.

Nice quote, above your last quote.. and this quote as well as the definitions of incongruous <--- thats the correct spelling) - and absurd is supposed to convince me "irrefutably yet", why you think it was appropriate for the police to laugh and humiliate anyone?.. Sorry Labrocca.. just doesn't' work for me. but.. hey.. to each his own


And talk about another BIG video that was so "outrageous" for liberals..."Don't tas me bro" is another PERFECT example of laughing at a situation. Even the idiot kid admitted later he was wrong. The clips and that statement are not political cries..no...they are now comical statements used to get a laugh.

You make another example about whats funny and why, not to mention say it was outrageous to the liberals. First off what does it have to do with "liberals"? Why the need to label and single out liberals?.. are you sure it didn't effect maybe some conservatives to?.. how about some republicans or democrats?.. maybe it even effected some atheists?.Thats possible wouldn't you say?.. Is this your attempt to justify your feelings about why its ok for the police to laugh at the lady they shot with rubber bullets?


And Critic...don't fear using my name. I am not "some person" or "certain people" or a "they". It's insulting that you are obviously taking about me but not to me. If you disagree with me fine...say so.


Im not sure if your calling me a critic or attempting to type the name cronic, but either way its fine my friend... I sometimes do sound and act like a critic when its something I feel strongly about.. I don't fear using your name I as I have used it many times over in this post.. I guess I figured that anyone reading the post would know who I was talking about anyway or if they had any doubts they could then just click the link I posted in said post and then they would know.

I also want to apologize to you for feeling insulted because I didn't use your name.. It wasn't my attempt to insult you, merely I was pointing out facts and feelings. I know that the truth can and does hurt.. but it can and does set you free as well!! On that note.. I respect your feelings and opinions.. But I just can't agree with them this time

[ViolaLee]

Cronic, it's against forum rules for him to spell your name wrong, you should report that. He should get a warning.



She had it coming to her just by being their.


Many Republicans and conservatives sound more and more like they'd rather live in Russia or China each and every day.


No kidding. I can't believe the comments on this thread. Another example of right wingers who don't believe in our constitution.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.[hr]It's OK I just reported it for you. Apparently Labrocca thinks he's above the rules, kinda like George Bush!

[cronic]

Cronic, it's against forum rules for him to spell your name wrong, you should report that. He should get a warning.

[hr]It's OK I just reported it for you. Apparently Labrocca thinks he's above the rules, kinda like George Bush!


Thanks.. I was going to give him some time to either pm me and tell me it was an honest mistake or maybe even fess up and post it here in the thread itself.. either way it didn't bother me a lot.. I kinda thought it was a mistake in spelling..I'm sorry you got banned.. I hope it wasn't because you reported it and stuck up for me..
I do have a question tho.. Maybe someone can answer for me
( hopefully Labrocca ), everybody only get 60 mins to re - edit a post right?.. well.. how is it the post from way earlier, POST #16 (http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=11399&page=2) where my name was stated as "critic" has now been edited.. over 12 hours later?..is the mistake or name change trying to be hidden now?.. I really would like an explanation.. I think since the rules have now been fudged to look like my name wasn't typed wrong in the first place.. I deserve an explanation... Yano... Labrocca.. a simple oops I made a mistake would have been ok with me!!. No reason to go above and beyond.. Unless everyone else can get the opportunity to go back and redo there postings 12 hours and 53 mins later! - Just asking..

[Cobra]

Mods can edit posts anytime. No time limit.

[cronic]

Mods can edit posts anytime. No time limit.


ah.... kk.. thank you.. I didn't know.. I guess it would be kinda a waste of time them to report anything against a mod seeing as how they can change whatever they say right or wrong.. mistake or no mistake.. thanks again for the answer Cobra..

Not that I really care.. just wanted an explanation.. I guess If i was really concerned i would have capped the page itself.. But I'm hoping it was just an honest mistake.. peace

[piratemonkey]

Cronic, it's against forum rules for him to spell your name wrong, you should report that. He should get a warning.



She had it coming to her just by being their.


Many Republicans and conservatives sound more and more like they'd rather live in Russia or China each and every day.


No kidding. I can't believe the comments on this thread. Another example of right wingers who don't believe in our constitution.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.[hr]It's OK I just reported it for you. Apparently Labrocca thinks he's above the rules, kinda like George Bush!


This is correct, isn't it?

Edited to add: It appears that the violation was corrected in at least the original post. It's unlikely that this is the reason she was banned... but the timing is unfortunate.

[Mia]

Is Cronic a political figure? I thought that's what the rules referred to.

[PatrickHenry]

On topic...

Police assaults on protestors are unacceptable.

If the protest is unruly, the demonstrator can be taken into custody.

If there is a clear danger, the police may use force. That would be something like clearly holding a rock or a molotov. Not a paper sign and moving ahead of the police line, not obstructing.

The deputy sheriff should have admonished his troops, not complimented them on their actions in assaulting this woman.

Government use of force must be justified in each instance. Otherwise, a chaotic situation will result wherein protestors will do before being done to.

That's the end of grassroots democracy and the rise of the Police/Security State.

[cronic]

Is Cronic a political figure? I thought that's what the rules referred to.


I wish I was that way all of you could vote for me and I would promise everyone here, one thing.. After I correct a few wrongs for myself..lol..

[piratemonkey]

On topic...

Police assaults on protestors are unacceptable.

If the protest is unruly, the demonstrator can be taken into custody.

If there is a clear danger, the police may use force. That would be something like clearly holding a rock or a molotov. Not a paper sign and moving ahead of the police line, not obstructing.

Well put. Nobody can claim that any law enforcement officer was in danger. If the officers weren't in any danger, brutal force should not be used... It's really that simple.

As PH said, why wasn't she arrested instead of physically hurt? My bet is because she hadn't committed any crime and no charges would have held up in front of an impartial jury.

In our country, police don't get to decide who's guilty and deserving of punishment.

[potter]

In our country, police don't get to decide who's guilty and deserving of punishment.


What country is that? The days of "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" are long gone my friend.

[Tessy]

In our country, police don't get to decide who's guilty and deserving of punishment.


What country is that? The days of "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" are long gone my friend.


Only in America. Other countries are still like he says! I've lived in many countries
and you USA people think (or are told) you're free but in reality the USA these days
is about the same as RED China. And yes, I've lived there too.

It's like that boiled frog analogy... Yall are at about a rapid boil right now.

[potter]

In our country, police don't get to decide who's guilty and deserving of punishment.


What country is that? The days of "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" are long gone my friend.


Only in America. Other countries are still like he says! I've lived in many countries
and you USA people think (or are told) you're free but in reality the USA these days
is about the same as RED China. And yes, I've lived there too.

It's like that boiled frog analogy... Yall are at about a rapid boil right now.



:thumbsup:

If people would put down their toys and pay attention.......

[Go Fish]

Clearly she was breaking the law, and clearly the law said that they were authorized to use non-lethal force. What's the problem?

[PatrickHenry]

Clearly she was breaking the law, and clearly the law said that they were authorized to use non-lethal force. What's the problem?
What law was she clearly breaking?

And may I assume that the next time your wife rolls a stop sign, the cops are free to use non-lethal force, beating her within an inch of her life?

Always good to have the conservatives on record as bowing to authority and force.

Some people never saw a uniform misused.

[4Reaganomics]

Some people only acknowlege when a uniform is abused, and never support the very good that these extraordinary heroes perform on a daily basis. Police officers hardly make anything, yet they give themselves to civil service and put their lives in danger to protect law abiding citizens. For their protection, I am greatful. I can call 911 right now if I was in danger and the police department would come to my defense. I am greatful for that service and safety, and I will by no means engage in rhetoric claiming "pigs" when one officer does something that is questionable at best.

[PatrickHenry]

...I will by no means engage in rhetoric claiming "pigs" when one officer does something that is questionable at best.
OK, then! Let me send an officer over to your house to shoot a rubber bullet in your face!

I will enjoy watching "conservatives" outrage when an authoritarian liberal tramples their freedoms in coming years, heh.

Sheesh! What a bleak picture...

[Tessy]

Clearly she was breaking the law, and clearly the law said that they were authorized to use non-lethal force. What's the problem?


Are you one of those people that just make sh*t up to suit your own points?

No law was being broken. The woman is a lawyer. And allow me to show you want the problem is by shooting you in the face with a rubber bullet when you try to exercise your free speech.

"What's the problem?" What a nincompoop thing to say!

[preservanation]

Bonked her right between the eyes!
Hylarious!

[preservanation]

Oh a troll... Hi preservanation.
Yes ma'am...Hi Tessy.

[preservanation]

You can't have any troll pudding if you don't eat your meat!
Tessy, you do Pink Floyd a disservice by paraphrasing The Wall in order to diminish my ideology.

[Tessy]

"Bonked her right between the eyes!" is an ideology?

How does that work? You did eat your dinner BTW, didn't you?