Photos of Voter Card with Ron Paul scratched out: NY

[December]

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/thread/4177876/#14989138

[AlanC]

Three questons.

What makes you think that the guy who took the picture didn't do it himself?

What is the claim, that all the cards were like this?

Your point is what, exactly?

[AnnEsthesia]

So, did the person notify the officials that someone had marked up the ballot? Did they refuse to fix it or something?

[lily]

Three questons.

What makes you think that the guy who took the picture didn't do it himself?

What is the claim, that all the cards were like this?

Your point is what, exactly?


Alan............I'm shocked! It was on the internet of course it was true!

[Alonzo]

So I'm expected to believe they went and individually marked thousands of voter cards with pens? And this isn't even one line, whoever did that really wanted to make sure it was noticeable and made 4 lines.

[December]

Three questons.

What makes you think that the guy who took the picture didn't do it himself?

What is the claim, that all the cards were like this?

Your point is what, exactly?


Ron Paul Missing from Ballot in Rockland County, NY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2NzcCv3T1c[hr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Qb3ZfyztE

[Alonzo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2NzcCv3T1c

:madlaugh:

[Keith Hamburger]

:madlaugh:

Grandpa: They're not terrorists, they're just a bunch of drunk wankers from Colorado. (http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/southpark/season3/southpark-314.htm)

Keith

(I'm not a terrorist. I am in Colorado and I have had a few drinks)

[preservanation]

:madlaugh::madlaugh:
That is great!
Definitely my new favorite vidio.
"All those governmental neoconic ding-dongs in Rockland County, NY..."
Effin Hylarious!

[Keith Hamburger]

:madlaugh::madlaugh:
That is great!
Definitely my new favorite vidio.
"All those governmental neoconic ding-dongs in Rockland County, NY..."
Effin Hylarious!


But, it's interesting that Zo didn't bother to comment on the clean cut, 20ish young man that might have been going to vote for the first time in his life that was disenfranchised.

Sure, the guy from Colorado was disjointed and a bit fanatical. And he looked funny, so he should be disregarded.

But, the second video, from the guy that was actually there, is the truly disturbing one.

But, of course, McCain is going to get the nomination completely fairly and honestly. A media blackout on Paul since the first of the year, his being left off of ballots around the country, the obvious hostility of moderators in debates (when he's even allowed to join), none of that matters. It's clearly Paul's positions that have marginalized him. That's why his supporters have to be attacked and belittled, because his positions don't have the support.

Bullshit. If his positions, in and of themselves, were that lacking in support from the population, the media should just be presenting them openly and honestly. That alone would take him out of the running if it were true that his positions have no support. The media and "mainstream" politicos know that his positions would have widespread support if they were just heard. That's the reason for the tactics that have been used, including leaving him off of the ballots.

Keith

[preservanation]

I agree Keith, I didn't mean to make light of the seriousness of what IMO seemed to have occurred in Rockland Co.
If Paul was left off any ballot and covered up my misinforming voters that he dropped out that is very serious.
Heads should roll and a re-vote could be sued for.
Sadly it wont happen.
If this was HC, instead of Paul, ie similar accusations...you would think the world had ended.
We probably won't hear one peep about it
Waiting for fairness in this world will sometimes leave you a very old and bored man.

[AnnEsthesia]

Pres, again... show me where it was ALL ballots in that county and not just the one. When the person brought it to the attention of election officials, did they fix it or did they leave it and say it did not matter? And finally, how do you know it was not done by the person who took the picture as a publicity stunt?

[preservanation]

I don't, you're right.
But it seems that young kid from NY went through a process of channels and mistakes were admitted. His detail seemed to enhance his believability.
You're right I don't know for sure, but I'll tell you one thing, if this accusation was made by a Clinton supporter, heaven and earth would have been moved to address it and we would surely know one way or another by now.

[AnnEsthesia]

So you assume. But like everything else, you just have to bring Clinton (one of them) into it, instead of bringing in the proof that I am asking you for.

[Keith Hamburger]

So you assume. But like everything else, you just have to bring Clinton (one of them) into it, instead of bringing in the proof that I am asking you for.

Ok. We know you don't like freedom and you don't like Paul.

I don't give a shit if it was 1% or 100% of the ballots. The likelyhood that a single Paul supporter found a single ballot (actually, electronic machine) with his candidate missing is next to none. Especially when he was told by the election judges that they had been getting that question all day and it was 7pm when he went to vote.

It's still wrong, even if it was only one out of all of the ballots in the county.

As if you really believe it was only one ballot printed without Paul's name. If you do, we can dismiss everything you've said as being out of touch with reality. They don't print those ballots one at a time.

Keith

[PostmodernProphet]

I will be honest, I can't imagine why anyone would bother trying to disenfranchise a Paul voter.....it's not like he's going to garner more than ten percent anyway......

[preservanation]

So you assume. But like everything else, you just have to bring Clinton (one of them) into it, instead of bringing in the proof that I am asking you for.
I don't know what proof you want.
There is proof of an accusation...you saw the video.

I'm saying that if this accusation was made by a Clinton supporter, heaven and earth would have been moved to address it and we would surely know one way or another by now.

[AnnEsthesia]

So you assume. But like everything else, you just have to bring Clinton (one of them) into it, instead of bringing in the proof that I am asking you for.

Ok. We know you don't like freedom and you don't like Paul.


No, I do not like Paul. The first part of your sentence is just partisan and your attempt to smear me with your "If you are not one of us, you are the enemy" type bullcrap thinking.



I don't give a sh1t if it was 1% or 100% of the ballots. The likelyhood that a single Paul supporter found a single ballot (actually, electronic machine) with his candidate missing is next to none. Especially when he was told by the election judges that they had been getting that question all day and it was 7pm when he went to vote.



Show me proof that the person who took the picture did not do it himself as a publicity stunt? Show me proof that the poll workers, when it was brought to their attention, did not rectify it by removing the ballot and handing him a new one. Proof. Otherwise, you are just working yourself up into a hissy fit with no proof beyond this one person's say so.


It's still wrong, even if it was only one out of all of the ballots in the county.

As if you really believe it was only one ballot printed without Paul's name. If you do, we can dismiss everything you've said as being out of touch with reality. They don't print those ballots one at a time.

Keith


Dear, did you even look at the pictures? THE BALLOT HAD HIS NAME ON IT. Got it? Let me repeat: THE BALLOT HAD RON PAUL's NAME ON IT! The name was crossed out with ink. The person who took the pictures could easily have done it and then claimed to have gotten it that way. Prove that did not happen.[hr]

So you assume. But like everything else, you just have to bring Clinton (one of them) into it, instead of bringing in the proof that I am asking you for.
I don't know what proof you want.
There is proof of an accusation...you saw the video.

I'm saying that if this accusation was made by a Clinton supporter, heaven and earth would have been moved to address it and we would surely know one way or another by now.


Or you could say that if the accusation had been made by ANY of the people who have a shot in hell to get elected, they would be more concerned... but I know that is not what you mean, since you would rather just dog on Clinton, yet again.

Come on P, stop being a partisan hack for goodness sake.

[Keith Hamburger]

Dear, did you even look at the pictures? THE BALLOT HAD HIS NAME ON IT. Got it? Let me repeat: THE BALLOT HAD RON PAUL's NAME ON IT! The name was crossed out with ink. The person who took the pictures could easily have done it and then claimed to have gotten it that way. Prove that did not happen.

Hell. I thought we had moved on beyond that. We have video, now, of a guy claiming that it appears an entire county left Paul off the ballot in NY.

It looks to be a more widespread issue than just a single voter card that someone could have marked up themselves.

Unless you think they guy that posted the picture and the guy in the video are in collusion.

Keith

[AnnEsthesia]

Then it should be investigated. But until you can show proof that it actually happened, then I will go with it is someone trying to get on the publicity stunt band wagon.[hr]BTW: a youtube video saying someone saw something is not proof.

[preservanation]

But until you can show proof that it actually happened, then I will go with it is someone trying to get on the publicity stunt band wagon.
Can I hearken you back to Thomas/Anita Hill?
Back then it was nothing more than an accusation.
We endured weeks in congressional hearings, mired in ideological mayhem all based on nothing more than the ridiculous supposition "that it is not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge".

If Paul was actually left off a batch of ballots, I think it rises to the level of an off handed remark concerning a hair on a Coke can.

I think the least we can do is get a statement from Rockland Co, be it a denial, explanation, whatever.
As far as I know they have said nothing right now.
The silence is deafening.

[AnnEsthesia]

As I said, bring some proof that it actually happened. Until then it is just a rumor. And this is nothing like the Thomas/Hill thing. Apples and oranges. This is more like: Is Tom Cruise's daughter really the child of L. Ron Hubbard? That is closer to the type of case we have here. Until there is proof, it is just wild rumor mongering.

Oh, and if it were an actual issue, it would not be hard for them to make it into a case and have it looked into, right?

[Elrathin]

I think the least we can do is get a statement from Rockland Co, be it a denial, explanation, whatever.


Have we ever had a denial from President Bush that he used cocaine? Nope, so one has to ask why you are so wanting a denial from others now. I thought people were too busy to deny the absurd Pres?