Ron Paul Supporters - The same as Democrats?

[Truth Detector]

I believe that the proof of my theory that Ron Paul supporters are of the same vein as Democrats can be found in this prediction:

WHEN Ron Paul bows out, and he will, who do you think the rabid Ron Paul supporters will vote for; McCain? Obama? Hilary?

My belief is that rabid Ron Paul supporters would be most likely to vote for Obama than any other candidate. Why; because he is anti war and that appears to be the primary motivator for those who are rabid Ron Paul supporters.

Unfortunately for the Republican Party, Mitt Romney has pulled out and Ron Paul may prove what a total loony he is by staying in the race all the way to the convention. I don’t think rational behavior has ever been Ron’s forte’.
:ponder:

[Truth_and_Power]

lol obama anti-war... LINK?

[Truth Detector]

lol obama anti-war... LINK?


You need a link for the OBVIOUS there Power? So Obama's statements that he NEVER supported going into Iraq and his pledge to unilaterally end the war in Iraq and pull the troops out indicates he supports the war in Iraq?

Are you in denial? Have any links to prove me wrong? Or is this more of the same from people on the forum to just ask for links without any substantive rebuttals?

Judgment You Can Trust
As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.

In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;
In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.

Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

[Keith Hamburger]

Just more blathering that shows that those that aren't libertarians truly don't understand libertarians.

We have another thread saying we're all Republicans in disguise.

As to who I'll vote for in the general election, hell, this might be the first presidential election in 28 years that I've sat out.

Otherwise, I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate if Paul isn't on the ballot.

(of course, the Democrats will say that's effectively a vote for the Republican, and the Republicans will say it's a vote for the Democrat. And I will say they're all full of sh1t.)

Keith

[December]

I wonder why this thread was not moved to Ron Paul forum by the mods...
Hmmmmmmmmmm........... :ponder:

[brien]

My belief is that rabid Ron Paul supporters would be most likely to vote for Obama than any other candidate. Why; because he is anti war and that appears to be the primary motivator for those who are rabid Ron Paul supporters

Nothing could be further from the truth here. Obama's platforms all support the interventionist policies of the current government regime in Congress. Even in Iraq, he won't make the commitment to fully disengage, but leaves the door open to remain there indefinitely. From his own platform on his own website:

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

What happens when AL Qaeda strikes back? It's known as escalation.

He also wants to spend 2 billion of taxpayer money in Iraq.

He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.

Doesn't sound like total disengagement to me. Sounds like he will keep troops in Iraq. It also sounds like he has many, many people fooled when it comes to Iraq.

Ombama would be about as anti war as McCain when AL Qaeda begins attacking his troops that he leaves in Iraq.. Obama just tries to cover his ass better.

The Paul supporters will vote Libertarian if they are denied his choice on the Republican ballot. And if they don't have Ron Paul on their ballots, they can simply write him in as well. To say that Libertarians are similar to Democrats is like saying Horses are like Zebras and we Libertarians just don't wear the stripes of the Democratic Party. :blah:


lol obama anti-war... LINK?

The link above from his own website proves he isn't anti war.

[December]

Ron Paul Speaking at CPAC in DC, RIGHT NOW!

Ron Paul speech is on!!!!

http://foxnews-stream4.wm.llnwd.net/foxnews_stream4

[exigent]

All silence while L Ron Paul Hubbard speaks!!

oohhhmmmmmm

[Grizz]

Ron Paul, tho he's running on the Republican ticket, is a through-and-through Libertarian. His positions are right in line with their beliefs, which is one reason I'd never vote for a Libertarian to any office, local, state or federal.

[exigent]

interesting speech though

"If only the Democrats had this much diversity in their party" says the announcer

hahahahaha lol!

[potter]

I believe that the proof of my theory that Ron Paul supporters are of the same vein as Democrats can be found in this prediction:

WHEN Ron Paul bows out, and he will, who do you think the rabid Ron Paul supporters will vote for; McCain? Obama? Hilary?

My belief is that rabid Ron Paul supporters would be most likely to vote for Obama than any other candidate. Why; because he is anti war and that appears to be the primary motivator for those who are rabid Ron Paul supporters.

Unfortunately for the Republican Party, Mitt Romney has pulled out and Ron Paul may prove what a total loony he is by staying in the race all the way to the convention. I don’t think rational behavior has ever been Ron’s forte’.
:ponder:



Why do you feel the need to use trolling and baiting terms such as "rabid"?

Mommy not teach you any manners?

[Truth Detector]

I believe that the proof of my theory that Ron Paul supporters are of the same vein as Democrats can be found in this prediction:

WHEN Ron Paul bows out, and he will, who do you think the rabid Ron Paul supporters will vote for; McCain? Obama? Hilary?

My belief is that rabid Ron Paul supporters would be most likely to vote for Obama than any other candidate. Why; because he is anti war and that appears to be the primary motivator for those who are rabid Ron Paul supporters.

Unfortunately for the Republican Party, Mitt Romney has pulled out and Ron Paul may prove what a total loony he is by staying in the race all the way to the convention. I don’t think rational behavior has ever been Ron’s forte’.
:ponder:



Why do you feel the need to use trolling and baiting terms such as "rabid"?

Mommy not teach you any manners?


Why do you feel "rabid" is not an apt description of such cult like followers?

Did your mommy not ensure you learned the meaning of words? So that you can be MORE informed:

Main Entry: ra·bid
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: 'ra-b&d also 'rA-
Etymology: Latin rabidus mad, from rabere
1 b : going to extreme lengths in expressing or pursuing a feeling, interest, or opinion

Main Entry: cult
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'k&lt
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

I'd say both pretty much sum up the losing from the start campaign of Ron Paul. All one need do is come on this blog to see such devoted cultists. The fact that they won't support any other candidate based on their statements here sums up that they are far from mainstream in their attitudes or ideas.

Any other misconceptions I can educate you about?

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

I believe that the proof of my theory that Ron Paul supporters are of the same vein as Democrats can be found in this prediction:

WHEN Ron Paul bows out, and he will, who do you think the rabid Ron Paul supporters will vote for; McCain? Obama? Hilary?

My belief is that rabid Ron Paul supporters would be most likely to vote for Obama than any other candidate. Why; because he is anti war and that appears to be the primary motivator for those who are rabid Ron Paul supporters.

A few "Truths" to note or "Detect"!

1) There is not a lot of difference between McCain and Clinton/Obama !
(War in Iraq is the only big difference)

2) If Hillary is the Dems pick Nader said he'll run, that might syphon
off the Indy vote.

3) If Paul bows out before Huck a lot of the Paul conservatives will
go for Huck, Cuz McCain's in bed with the liberals too much.

4) Paul could run as and Indy

5) And if not the real Paul supporters might just "write in" Paul


Unfortunately for the Republican Party, Mitt Romney has pulled out and Ron Paul may prove what a total loony he is by staying in the race all the way to the convention. I don’t think rational behavior has ever been Ron’s forte’.
:ponder:

You really need to get your "Detector" re-calibrated!
Just because Paul is not following the GOP's current Ideologies
(Which has just about bankrupt America) and is trying to get
the American Government to follow the constitution is neither
loony or irrational !

If you can't understand that R.Paul's stand against the " Current
Political Establishment" ,for the benefit of America (Not the Republican
party), is truly patriotic you are either lost or easily fooled.

I hope R. Paul pushes his issues all the way to the day of the election!!!
This way American won't be side tracked, by only hearing/discussing
what the REPS&DEMS want Americans to think about !

[lily]

I wonder why this thread was not moved to Ron Paul forum by the mods...
Hmmmmmmmmmm........... :ponder:


We can't be everywhere at once, December.

[AnnEsthesia]

lol Zo. ;)

[Mark L Hamburger]

It seems to me that RP supporters are the ONLY ones supporting a conservative candidate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l8AIuJJRZo

Bob Barr's introduction of Ron Paul at CPAC...

[Truth_and_Power]

I'd say both pretty much sum up the losing from the start campaign of Ron Paul. All one need do is come on this blog to see such devoted cultists. The fact that they won't support any other candidate based on their statements here sums up that they are far from mainstream in their attitudes or ideas.



Just yesterday you were lauding republicans about making pricipled stands and criticising democrats for being political opportunists. Now you're criticising Ron Paul's principled stand as 'loony' or 'rabid'. I think you're just pro-war and you don't care what reasons you have to make up to justify your position.

Obama said "if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda." Well isn't it practically every day that we hear about Al Qaeda in iraq, whether they're doing better or worse. So right now at this very moment, on its face, obama's statement essentially translates to "we'll leave as soon as we defeat al qaeda", which is really not much different from McCain. Also, Obama is not intending to bring those troops home, he is intending to fly them over to afghanistan and fight the taliban & al qaeda there, crossing over into pakistan when necessary. He is still talking about continuing the theatre war that is the neocon dream, per their policy paper.

I am really quite surprised, given your penchant for truth and your distrust of democrats, that you are not able to see through Obama's hollow rhetoric. Perhaps you are a closet liberal?

[potter]

I believe that the proof of my theory that Ron Paul supporters are of the same vein as Democrats can be found in this prediction:

WHEN Ron Paul bows out, and he will, who do you think the rabid Ron Paul supporters will vote for; McCain? Obama? Hilary?

My belief is that rabid Ron Paul supporters would be most likely to vote for Obama than any other candidate. Why; because he is anti war and that appears to be the primary motivator for those who are rabid Ron Paul supporters.

Unfortunately for the Republican Party, Mitt Romney has pulled out and Ron Paul may prove what a total loony he is by staying in the race all the way to the convention. I don’t think rational behavior has ever been Ron’s forte’.
:ponder:



Why do you feel the need to use trolling and baiting terms such as "rabid"?

Mommy not teach you any manners?


Why do you feel "rabid" is not an apt description of such cult like followers?

Did your mommy not ensure you learned the meaning of words? So that you can be MORE informed:

Main Entry: ra·bid
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: 'ra-b&d also 'rA-
Etymology: Latin rabidus mad, from rabere
1 b : going to extreme lengths in expressing or pursuing a feeling, interest, or opinion

Main Entry: cult
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'k&lt
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

I'd say both pretty much sum up the losing from the start campaign of Ron Paul. All one need do is come on this blog to see such devoted cultists. The fact that they won't support any other candidate based on their statements here sums up that they are far from mainstream in their attitudes or ideas.

Any other misconceptions I can educate you about?


My critisism stems from your preferrence in using divisive and negative terms when better descriptive terms such as "enthusiastic" or "Committed" would work just as well. This seems to be a republican standard used more to demean than to decribe.

Rabid also conjures up images of "angry and foaming at the mouth", which I suspect is more what you are really trying to convey.

[davo]

I believe that the proof of my theory that Ron Paul supporters are of the same vein as Democrats can be found in this prediction:

WHEN Ron Paul bows out, and he will, who do you think the rabid Ron Paul supporters will vote for; McCain? Obama? Hilary?

My belief is that rabid Ron Paul supporters would be most likely to vote for Obama than any other candidate. Why; because he is anti war and that appears to be the primary motivator for those who are rabid Ron Paul supporters.

Unfortunately for the Republican Party, Mitt Romney has pulled out and Ron Paul may prove what a total loony he is by staying in the race all the way to the convention. I don’t think rational behavior has ever been Ron’s forte’.
:ponder:


The reason why a certain brand of 'conservative' will try and associate Ron Paul with Democrats is solely because of the war. Yet the Republican party has never previously been supportive of foreign interventions. Even when Clinton was in government, the Republicans opposed the intervention in Kosovo. Perhaps what you should do is justify why it is conservative to become engaged in nation-building and pre-emptive war?

Ron Paul does not have much in common with Obama, even in matters of war. Obama would gladly take the US to wars if under a UN resolution or something similar, and pretend it gives him the authority to bypass congress. In domestic issues their ideologies are very different.

Ron Paul believes the first amendment means what it says; Obama does not.
Ron Paul believes the second amendment means what it says; Obama does not.
Ron Paul believes the rest of the constitution actually means what it says (especially the bit about coining money); Obama does not.
Ron Paul wants to abolish the Federal Reseve and IRS, Obama does not.
Ron Paul believes in drastically cutting Federal taxes; Obama does not.
Ron Paul believes in abolishing the Department of Education; Obama does not.
Ron Paul believes the US should start controlling its own borders; Obama does not.

Okay, the list goes on, but you get the general idea.

Granted, some Ron Paul supporters will vote for Obama if he wins the Democratic nomination. There is a very good reason for this, and Pat Buchanan summed it up well: "John McCain's position is there will be more wars, more illegals, more taxes, and the jobs aren't coming back". The reason why some will vote Obama is because a McCain president would completely destroy the real conservative movement in the US, and many 'real' conservatives see Obama as a lesser evil to McCain.