"conservatives" against mccain

[bishop]

excellent op-ed piece here.. definitely hits the nail on the head imo.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/06/roland.martin/index.html

the noise spewing out of the "conservative" pundits' mouths is just amazing - and utterly confusing. especially with some of them saying that they'd sooner vote for hillary over mccain.

[exigent]

Do they even know what a conservative stands for? Or do they just say they are conservative cuz they know there are many conservative voters?

[bishop]

i have to agree with the op-ed... anyone who dares compromise with the other side is unacceptable in their eyes.

it's also exceedingly weird how they've flocked so heartily to romney, who was quite the liberal when he stepped into the governor's mansion.. the city i live in, in MA, is one of the biggest sanctuary cities in the country - somerville.. despite all his newfound hot air rhetoric, romney never once worked to discover and deal with illegal immigrants.

[Alonzo]

somerville is improving though. I used to live in medford and somerville was a dump, probably one of the worst place you could live north of Boston. The nickname we had for it was "scummerville", and a few others I can't remember.

Still not a great city, but it's definitely better than when I left medford in the early 90's.

[preservanation]

It is NOT a good year (or two) for conservatives.
McCain has yet to win a plurality of cons in the primaries.

IMO turn out for this guy will be historically low, unless Hillary is the nominee.
She brings out the best in the GOP.

[exigent]

She brings out the best in the GOP.


Those who vote for the wrong reasons...much like the scientologists who bought Battlefield: Earth with no intentions of ever reading it, but bought it to pump up L.Ron Hubtard's rating on the bestsellers list.

[preservanation]

I see your point, and it is a good one exigent. But....
It's like that woman has a grip on our collective gall bladder and she won't let go.
It's hard to ignore.

[bishop]

somerville is improving though. I used to live in medford and somerville was a dump, probably one of the worst place you could live north of Boston. The nickname we had for it was "scummerville", and a few others I can't remember.

Still not a great city, but it's definitely better than when I left medford in the early 90's.


we call it slummerville. my area isn't so bad, although it's a long-shot from where i used to live - arlington. the apartment's huge though, and is a good price. plus, i'm a huge hockey fan and it's painless to get to the stadium via sullivan sq. station.

but anyways... the perplexing thing i see about "conservative" support for both romney and huckabee is so blatantly contradictory.. romney was pro-choice and anti-gun at one point, and headed a state that's one of the biggest sanctuaries for illegal immigrants in the country. huckabee, used public tax dollars to give benefits to illegal immigrants that citizens didn't even have - in addition to raising taxes on them. but somehow, "conservatives" look at them as the best picks - and demonize mccain to the point where they suggest it would be better to vote for hillary.

here's to living in the twilight zone i guess.

[preservanation]

To you it's perplexing, to us it's maddening.

[Wndrtch]

excellent op-ed piece here.. definitely hits the nail on the head imo.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/06/roland.martin/index.html

the noise spewing out of the "conservative" pundits' mouths is just amazing - and utterly confusing. especially with some of them saying that they'd sooner vote for hillary over mccain.


Since Reagan, our elections have been a choice between the lesser evils. This year is no different. For "conservatives" who think Hill would be better than McCain, what the hell are you talking about!! Are you kidding me! The Republican Party will only be destroyed, if we conservatives become so narrow-minded that we hand the entire government over to the Dems for the next 4-8 years. Trust me, I live in Mass, the land of one-party rule. There's a lot of crazy, illogical crap that goes on when there is no political competition.

My fellow conservatives who are contemplating suicide, I encourage you to read the following article. It might open your eyes enough to help you step back from the edge of the roof-top.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby.php3

[preservanation]

One thing that Reagan did was to reach across the aisle to bring conservative Dems to vote republican.
McCain is reaching out to libs (who will stab him in the back, come Nov), as libs.
That is a big difference.
Holding ones nose because of the smell is one thing, holding ones nose for fear of drowning is another.

[bishop]

Since Reagan, our elections have been a choice between the lesser evils. This year is no different. For "conservatives" who think Hill would be better than McCain, what the hell are you talking about!! Are you kidding me! The Republican Party will only be destroyed, if we conservatives become so narrow-minded that we hand the entire government over to the Dems for the next 4-8 years. Trust me, I live in Mass, the land of one-party rule. There's a lot of crazy, illogical crap that goes on when there is no political competition.

it's been posted on this site, and has been widely publicized on tv... "conservatives" such as coulter and beck have said that they'd vote for clinton over mccain. i am not making this up. yes - the pundits really are THAT stupid.

i don't know if the extremists are upset that independents and moderates like mccain.. or, that he stood up for fiscal conservatism when he opposed bush's debt-financed tax cuts. or, that he was one of the first republican's to push for rumsfeld's ousting and a change in policy in iraq.. and damn him for actually acknowledging that we really do need to move away from oil. and damn him for trying to be pragmatic and get some things done.. etc....

instead, they're flocking to huckabee who increased taxes and gave handouts to illegal immigrants, paid for by american taxpayers. or, you have romney who's the quintessential flip-flop on virtually EVERY issue. two people whose time-tested credentials pale in comparison to mccain's...

great article btw..

[Wndrtch]

Since Reagan, our elections have been a choice between the lesser evils. This year is no different. For "conservatives" who think Hill would be better than McCain, what the hell are you talking about!! Are you kidding me! The Republican Party will only be destroyed, if we conservatives become so narrow-minded that we hand the entire government over to the Dems for the next 4-8 years. Trust me, I live in Mass, the land of one-party rule. There's a lot of crazy, illogical crap that goes on when there is no political competition.

it's been posted on this site, and has been widely publicized on tv... "conservatives" such as coulter and beck have said that they'd vote for clinton over mccain. i am not making this up. yes - the pundits really are THAT stupid.

i don't know if the extremists are upset that independents and moderates like mccain.. or, that he stood up for fiscal conservatism when he opposed bush's debt-financed tax cuts. or, that he was one of the first republican's to push for rumsfeld's ousting and a change in policy in iraq.. and damn him for actually acknowledging that we really do need to move away from oil. and damn him for trying to be pragmatic and get some things done.. etc....

instead, they're flocking to huckabee who increased taxes and gave handouts to illegal immigrants, paid for by american taxpayers. or, you have romney who's the quintessential flip-flop on virtually EVERY issue. two people whose time-tested credentials pale in comparison to mccain's...

great article btw..



I'm curious...

If so many conservatives are sick of McCain, then why is he winning in a Republican Primary? I mean shit, Bush is no conservative, and we elected him twice! I voted for Romney yesterday up here in Ma, primarily because the guy has a knack for success in the private sector. He's actually had to operate as an Executive, and did very well doing so. However, if McCain is the guy in November, I have no problem with that. The guy bled for our country for 8 years! I can honor him with my vote for that.

The one issue that should help conservatives to resolve the conflict within themselves about possibly voting for McCain in November, is the GWoT. McCain we keep the US engaged in the fight, and all the Dem candidates will throw flowers and hope for the best, which will be disastrous for free people everywhere.

[Deadshot]

I posted the numbers in another thread, but those numbers prove how bad it will be for the GOP to have the infighting it's currently experiencing. In the last 2 POTUS elections the winner has been decided by less then 2 million votes and only a few Electorial College votes. Dems win Ohio in 2000 or 2004 and Bush isn't our POTUS. The elections before that are won by Clinton and Bush by between a few million and seven million votes. See the problem, Wnd?

Have just a few GOP'ers stay home in November OR vote for Paul and the GOP is sunk. Gore lost Ohio by less then one percent. Kerry lost it by just 2% of the vote. Again, do you see the problem?

You get just a few GOP'ers, 1% of your total voting number over the last two POTUS elections (1% of 100 million or 1 million GOP voters) and you all but guarantee a Dem victory. Add those 1 million disenfranchised Conservatives to the Religious Right voters upset with McCain's stance on Religious Right and you're looking at a Democratic landslide!!!:ecstatic:

[brien]

You get just a few GOP'ers, 1% of your total voting number over the last two POTUS elections (1% of 100 million or 1 million GOP voters) and you all but guarantee a Dem victory. Add those 1 million disenfranchised Conservatives to the Religious Right voters upset with McCain's stance on Religious Right and you're looking at a Democratic landslide!!!

I doubt you will see this with the so called "Conservatives". If Hillary is the Democratic Party's nominee, you will see the Republican base turn out in droves to vote against Hillary rather than for McCain. I am not so sure about Obama because his negatives are not as well known as Hillary's yet. His political philosophy is vague and his political positions have yet to be examined under the harsh lights of political inspection. Just wait.

That said, when the GOP gets a whole of Obama and publisizes his support from Moveon.org, highlighting George Soros representing the radical left in the Democratic Party, you just may see the Republican base energized no matter who the Republican candidate is in November.

In any case, it will be interesting to see.

[Deadshot]

You know in 2004 the Dems said the same thing about the "Hate Bush" campaign. What we found out four years ago, and what you'll find out this year, is that voting against the opposition - even someone you hate - isn't as good as voting FOR someone.

The GOP has lost, we're just waiting for November.:ecstatic:

[Wndrtch]

I posted the numbers in another thread, but those numbers prove how bad it will be for the GOP to have the infighting it's currently experiencing. In the last 2 POTUS elections the winner has been decided by less then 2 million votes and only a few Electorial College votes. Dems win Ohio in 2000 or 2004 and Bush isn't our POTUS. The elections before that are won by Clinton and Bush by between a few million and seven million votes. See the problem, Wnd?

Have just a few GOP'ers stay home in November OR vote for Paul and the GOP is sunk. Gore lost Ohio by less then one percent. Kerry lost it by just 2% of the vote. Again, do you see the problem?

You get just a few GOP'ers, 1% of your total voting number over the last two POTUS elections (1% of 100 million or 1 million GOP voters) and you all but guarantee a Dem victory. Add those 1 million disenfranchised Conservatives to the Religious Right voters upset with McCain's stance on Religious Right and you're looking at a Democratic landslide!!!:ecstatic:


I have to agree with you on this one.

You Libs/Dems are all about the "Collective", therfore you guys tend to stick together despite your small diferences. We Reps/Cons are fiercely independant, and therfore we can justify breaking ranks over small issues. We are far more likely to jump off the nearest bridge for principals. The idea that half of something is better than all of nothing, is lost to most Conservatives, but not Libs.

It just goes to show you that there are pros & cons to both sides, and we Reps are going through a nasty con right now.

If the Dems get control of everything, I would strongly recommend that you stay away from large venues and cities. A Dem government is going to lose focus on the GWoT and try "talking" with the terrorists, giving them exactly what they want, more time to plot, scheme, and prepare for their next attack on our soil. The Patriot Act will be dismantled, the Jamie Garelic "Wall" will get new mortar which will blind us totally to their plots. We will withdraw from the Middle East and hand over Iraq to the terrorist who will use it's vast resource to fund their "jihad" against the West and the Jew. And, because we will no longer have a "magnet" to draw the individual cells to one place, all the terrorist will leave Iraq and disappear into the night, never to be seen again until they decide to blow themselves up somewhere in the World.

[underdawg]

Karma is a bitch. It seems that a lot of conservative leaders were taken out of the political picture because of scandals. It would be nice to get a liberal on the supreme court for a change since the ones there now are getting a bit old. McCain seems to be conservative lite and more middle of the road and closer to the views of Hillary. I think Romney will make an effort but will fail. Huckabee seems to be holding out long enough to help McCain take the religious votes away from Romney. It is awesome to see conservative talk show hosts bad mouth the conservative candidates. It puts early doubts in their minds. Now all we need is some ultra conservative to run as a third party candidate.

[Wndrtch]

Karma is a bitch. It seems that a lot of conservative leaders were taken out of the political picture because of scandals.

Who are you taking about? The only "leader" taken out was Delay, and that was just a Democrat witch-hunt. The other ones weren't viable for President anyways.

Who do you think would have been a good Republican Candidate for President, that got wiped-out by a scandal?