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AlonzoMourning23
02-05-2008, 11:27 PM
During the last few months, many established media outlets have decided to report innuendo and rumor about the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, as long as they have a source they can cite (at least anonymously), or another media player has reported the same.

But this new standard in the practice of journalism seemingly does not extend to other political figures, at least not media darlings like Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Earlier this month, at a Republican Senate fund-raiser, McCain told a downright nasty joke making fun of Janet Reno, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Chelsea Clinton.

The fact that McCain had made the tasteless joke was reported in major newspapers, as was the vain attempt by his press secretary to initially deny what McCain had done. But in several major newspapers, the joke itself was kept a secret. When McCain subsequently apologized to President Clinton, the Washington Post, in its personality section, noted the apology but said the joke "was too vicious to print."

The Los Angeles Times, in its Life & Style section, provided an oblique rendering of the joke that did not fully convey its ugliness. When Maureen Dowd penned a column in the New York Times about the joke, she wrote that McCain "is so revered by the press that his disgusting jape was largely nudged under the rug." But Dowd chose not to relay the joke, either.

The joke did appear in McCain's hometown paper, the Arizona Republic, and the Associated Press did report the joke in full, so everyone in the press had access to McCain's words. But by censoring themselves, the Post, the Times and others helped McCain deflect flak and preserved his status as a Republican presidential contender.

Salon feels its readers deserve the unadulterated truth. Though no tape of McCain's quip has yet emerged, this is what he reportedly said:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

The joke may be crude, but it pales in comparison with the published details surrounding the presidential sex scandal. McCain's two-liner conveys some interesting insights into what he considers humorous (lesbianism, a young woman's physical appearance), particularly since it was delivered to a Republican crowd. Remember, this is the party that champions pro-family values.

McCain's lapse in judgment -- admittedly, not as big a lapse as having a sexual relationship with an intern -- may be a significant clue into aspects of his "character," and thus relevant to the voting public. But many voters have been spared this insight, thanks to the censors in the press.

Accordingly, McCain is well-positioned to ride out this messy little episode. Ever since he started championing the anti-tobacco bill (which was torpedoed by his GOP comrades), McCain has been the White House's pet Republican on the Hill. Consequently, the White House played down his Chelsea remarks. McCain is also unusually popular with the media. He gives good quotes; he is outspoken. He takes positions that contradict the Republican leadership. When you talk to McCain, he converses in the manner of a real person, seemingly telling you what he thinks. That is rare among elected officials. Ask him a question and he does not shift into automatic-politician mode, as do most members of Congress.

The former Vietnam POW should escape this matter without serious political harm. In the inevitable magazine profiles of McCain that will be written, there will no doubt be the perfunctory line: "McCain's tendency to speak too freely was proven when he made a distasteful joke at a fund-raiser about the first family and then had to apologize to the president."

But the joke revealed more than a mean streak in a man who would be president. It also exposed how the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times play favorites when reporting the foibles of our leading politicians.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

http://www.nndb.com/people/237/000025162/chelsea-sm.jpg

Wonder what he has to say about the majority of women who are "uglier" than her?

AnnEsthesia
02-05-2008, 11:31 PM
Not to mention that it is sick and disgusting that an adult feels the need to make public comments and mocking statements about a child's appearance.

Drocket
02-05-2008, 11:43 PM
McCain is rather well-known as a rather vicious person. He has a pretty nasty temper, too. I think he's by far the most dangerous possible Republican candidate because no matter what he does, the press WILL give him a free pass. Just look at how he's constantly being praised for what a straight-talker he is, when in reality he can't seem to make up his mind on any of the issues. He has a piece of legislation pending in Congress for immigration, and he can't even make up his mind on whether he supports his own bill.

Keith Hamburger
02-05-2008, 11:46 PM
Not to mention that it is sick and disgusting that an adult feels the need to make public comments and mocking statements about a child's appearance.


"Child"??? Chelsea Clinton is 28 years old (well, by the end of this month, birthdate 27 Feb, 1980).

She is absolutely not a child.

Keith

AlonzoMourning23
02-05-2008, 11:47 PM
She was 18 at the time, so child fits better than adult.

Keith Hamburger
02-05-2008, 11:52 PM
She was 18 at the time, so child fits better than adult.


18 is still an adult as far as the law is concerned, in most instances.

Keith

AlonzoMourning23
02-05-2008, 11:55 PM
Legally, but I wouldn't call an 18 year old an adult in anything but the legal sense, especially since she was probably in high school at the time.

lily
02-05-2008, 11:55 PM
On the one hand the joke is over 10 years old and he did apologize. I'm of the opinion that candidates children should be left out of the fray.....but Chelsea put herself in the limelight when she chose to campaign for her mother.

If they're going back 10 years for a joke that wasn't even that funny then I think times must be desperate.

I was totally bracing myself, thinking this joke was going to be really something........I was disappointed.

AnnEsthesia
02-05-2008, 11:56 PM
She was a child. She did NOT deserve to be the butt of a nasty, meanspirited joke. Make fun of the president, make fun of the vice president, hell, make fun of the first lady, but the kids should be left out of the mud slinging.

AlonzoMourning23
02-05-2008, 11:58 PM
So attacking someones kid, and she was a kid, for being ugly is acceptable for a presidential candidate?

Who says something like that? Sounds like a jerk who never grew up.

I can only imagine him on the campaign "Damn that's an uggo over there! I think I'll steer clear of her!"

AnnEsthesia
02-06-2008, 12:04 AM
It not only is not acceptable for a presidential candidate, it is not acceptable for an adult, period. You may dislike the parents, but the kids are NOT at fault and your using them to hurt the parents only shows the small, nasty, pathetic person you are.

Buck Laser
02-06-2008, 01:22 AM
McCain is an enigma to me. On the one hand, he's actually made friends with several Americans who were radical opponents of the Vietnam war, and on the other hand he comes out with this kind of vicious joke, even if it was 10 years ago. But then there was his recent "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" bit. I've also heard an occasional tale that he's been known to throw his position and power around in rather nasty ways. Specifically, I've heard that he's occasionally gotten real nasty over airline delays. Of course I think I might be tempted to do that if I had the clout, too.

That said, I think McCain is more trustworthy than Romney. We've already got some experience with an MBA president, and it isn't pretty.

cronic
02-06-2008, 02:12 AM
hmmm.. Well, I think she kinda cute.. heh

Buck Laser
02-06-2008, 04:14 AM
hmmm.. Well, I think she kinda cute.. heh

So do I. She's not necessarily photogenic, but her real beauty comes out in some pictures.

Making fun of someone's looks is an absolute sign that the person doing it doesn't have anything else to go on. You can take THAT to the bank.

Elrathin
02-06-2008, 04:41 AM
I'm of the opinion that candidates children should be left out of the fray.....but Chelsea put herself in the limelight when she chose to campaign for her mother.


Well I remember Edwards talking about Cheney's lesbian daughter and getting a lot of heat for that with people saying he shouldn't have involved family members. But Cheney's daughter was campaigning for him, so does that mean she was really fair game?

Buck Laser
02-06-2008, 04:47 AM
I'm of the opinion that candidates children should be left out of the fray.....but Chelsea put herself in the limelight when she chose to campaign for her mother.


Well I remember Edwards talking about Cheney's lesbian daughter and getting a lot of heat for that with people saying he shouldn't have involved family members. But Cheney's daughter was campaigning for him, so does that mean she was really fair game?

Edwards in no way took any kind of a shot at the Cheney daughters, although Cheney tried to spin it that way.

firefox
02-06-2008, 04:59 AM
The truth is that Chelsea has become even stranger looking with age. Still, why are we even talking about this celeb-talk and not the issues?

Buck Laser
02-06-2008, 03:07 PM
The truth is that Chelsea has become even stranger looking with age. Still, why are we even talking about this celeb-talk and not the issues?

Why are you keeping the issue alive, then?:shame:

Wndrtch
02-06-2008, 07:24 PM
She was 18 at the time, so child fits better than adult.


She's far more mature than her Dad!