Do you believe in life after death?

[Nitrus]

I like to think that there is some form of existence beyond the realms of life. Somewhere your soul lives on.

What do you think?

[Deacon]

No, I believe once your dead you dead

[FucangLong]

Yah, that. I think God, Heaven, Hell, and all that are not real, but are required for the life we live now. Christianity made our world what it is today. If it werent for Christianity, Columbus never would have discovered the Americas. Without Christianity, the Europeans never would have colonized the Americas. Without Christianity, well, you get the point. Without the belief that sin sends you to Hell, people would do a lot of crazy stuff. Also, the American Constitution is based off Christian values. Basicly, the world today is shaped on Christianity. But, I don't believe in life after death.

[Nitrus]

I don't beleive in heaven and hell and everything, but I believe there is some other level of existence beyond life.

[Deacon]

I know go against my chrtistan beliefs about heaven and hell, but there is no way scientifically any life beyond death is possible

[Nitrus]

Agreed. But their might be some kind of sub-living, like in a coma. Sounds crazy.

[Deacon]

Just alittle

[Nitrus]

Well I'm staying true to my beliefs, I just don't like the idea of dying, and just not existing AT ALL. It scares me to be honest, but i'm sure when the time comes for me to go, I will have come to terms with it, and just accept it I guess.
:)

[Jim]

As of now, all I can believe is that when I'm dead, I'll no longer exist. I see no proof that my 'spirit' will live on, so I'll just assume that it's the end.

The only way I see immortality would be if I did something special and my name lived on after me.

[sonyking]

I believe in after live.I think that when you die you
get reborn again like a baby or some animal after your death.
And you dont remember nothing from your past life.
But i guess nobody will know if there is or isn't a afterlife.

[veryboredme]

I believe in reincarnation,there quite a few evidences about it actualy.
I heard of people who remembered their past lifes,I don't know if was 100% true,but who knows.

[Deacon]

I used to believe in that, until I started majoring in science, and my teachers pretty much beat that stuff out of me.

[smub]

I too believe in life after death as in Heaven or hell.

I believe in God as well, and i think he is a supreme being, and we will be punished for what we did bad on this earth. I also think that afterlife is alot better than the life we are having today, so it is good for us to do good deeds and help others out.

[Extreme89]

ye, i believe in heaven. why not?

[digital_freeway]

I don't know. The bible says that there is life after death but no one lives to proove it. Maybe its all true but who knows.

[radu_dragonul]

In my opinion there is life after death. I know that we don't have any proof but religion is about faith. You must believe (although you must search the truth). I don't speak about reincarnation but about Heaven and Hell. Everyone is free to have an opinion concerning this issue but you should remember that religion isn't science.

[demo_news]

sometimes i wonder if any of this is true? if there such thing is life after death? is there such thing as heaven? why isn' god helping us? This makes up about 1 mil question a year.

[unknownz]

I completely believe in life after death. I believe in GOD and believe that there is heaven and hell and it depends upon your deeds as to where you are sent.

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These are opinions and everyone has a right to disagree with them.

[Professor]

I believe in worm fodder and bodily decay after death.

[Elrathin]

I believe in worm fodder and bodily decay after death.


But do you believe in necrophilia ;)

[piratemonkey]

I KNOW there's worm fodder and bodily decay after death.

I've seen it.

No belief is necessary. ;)

[underdawg]

I see absolutely no reason for any sort of life after death. I think that people are like computers. Once all the wiring starts to come apart the illusion of self starts to dissipate. I think people are just afraid of death and the idea of not being around scares them to the core.

[Professor]

I believe in worm fodder and bodily decay after death.


But do you believe in necrophilia ;)


I didn't know what it was, so I had to look it up. I was like uuuuuh, NO! Not in my bag baby!

[Buck Laser]

I'm not entirely sure I believe in life before death.

[Professor]

I'm not entirely sure I believe in life before death.


Explain please.

[Newscaster]

Its rather pointless to say you believe in Life After Death. Pointless in that no one, and that includes Jesus, has come back to explain what happens after you breath your last. No one has said we sit on clouds and strum harps all day. I could do without that afterlife. No one has said we sit around listening to God or Jesus or some unnamed angel pontificating all day long. That could get real old real fast. No one has said where we will live? In a house or apartment or a beachfront condo? How about the clothes we will wear? Leisure suits? Bathing suits? Three Piece suits? and maybe most iomportant......what will we look like in Heaven. Will we look as we looked the day we died? If we were sick do you want to look like that for all eternity? Or do we pick a time when we thought we looked best. I'd pick my late twenties. Will associations in life still be valid in Heaven? Will we still be considered married to the wife we left behind or who left before we did? Or will we be free to seek a new mate? And will we recognize people who knew in life? These and a hundred other questions have never been answered nor can they be. So, to say we believe in heaven is pointless. You would be better off to just say......I hope there is something and its good and I hope I will get a chance to enjoy it.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I'm not entirely sure I believe in life before death.


?

[MAP2010.wireless]

Its rather pointless to say you believe in Life After Death. Pointless in that no one, and that includes Jesus, has come back to explain what happens after you breath your last. No one has said we sit on clouds and strum harps all day. I could do without that afterlife. No one has said we sit around listening to God or Jesus or some unnamed angel pontificating all day long. That could get real old real fast. No one has said where we will live? In a house or apartment or a beachfront condo? How about the clothes we will wear? Leisure suits? Bathing suits? Three Piece suits? and maybe most iomportant......what will we look like in Heaven. Will we look as we looked the day we died? If we were sick do you want to look like that for all eternity? Or do we pick a time when we thought we looked best. I'd pick my late twenties. Will associations in life still be valid in Heaven? Will we still be considered married to the wife we left behind or who left before we did? Or will we be free to seek a new mate? And will we recognize people who knew in life? These and a hundred other questions have never been answered nor can they be. So, to say we believe in heaven is pointless. You would be better off to just say......I hope there is something and its good and I hope I will get a chance to enjoy it.


Yep I hope Its a good place.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But there is a going forward of the soul after death.
2. The soul of a person lives forever.
3. You are presently living in a Test Life.
4. If you live a despicable life, your soul will go to a despicable place.
5. If you live a life bent on kindness and love, towards Gawd, who created you in the first place, you will live in a wonderful place.
6. A place with rolling plains, constant wonderful weather, calm streams and pools of waters, where animals roam free, all calm and getting along with every other being.
7. Gawdville will be rather indescribable, will be somewhat a city of glass.
8. With Gawd Himself lighting up the City.
9. Work will be limited, for things will be taken care of by the built in public services.
10. But everyone will have a job and some purpose.
11. Those unfortunate not to learn of Gawds ways, won't be doing much, and have lots of time to wonder why they got where they are.
12. There is also a halfway place, where those who go here, wonder around in a dessert place with other like person's, and they have to own up to their failed, *Test Life*, and make corrections in it, better known as purgatory.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

Chesswarsnow........please explain to me exactly where you obtained that description. Its not in the bible. Any and all so-called descriptions of heaven generally start with children. Its great fantasy but thats all it is....fantasy. You have have hell which is supposed to be huge fires. Then there is a lake of fire......
burning water? but nobody seems to know exactly where these places are, including that middle place you mentioned. And you describe part time work inside cities of glass.
Chess, you are dreaming. You are dreaming up these utopian scenes not because you really think they exist but because they serve to cover up your fear of dying and no longer being around. Even the fantasy about ghosts is designed to madk fears of no lonmger existing. Gosh, at least I'll be able to hang around the old neighborhood because the soul lasts forever.
Where do these great stories come from, aside from the stories of angels created by children? They come from the pulpit where ministers tell them to you to keep you calm. Try to imagine a world where the people suddenly discovered that when they die.....its over baby. No more nothin'! They would freak out.
We would all like to believe that there is some more but in order to convince people of that....you gotta give them cold hard evidence.....like....exactly where is heaven? Just to say...."up there!" is not enough.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I hope God forgives every one I really do, If I had a Son and my Son Killed some one and I knew he did it. I would be mad and want him to pay for what he did, but I would still Love my Son. I would not want him to pay forever and ever.

A Man lived for 80 years and if in that 80 years He did wrong every day, I would not want him to goto Hell.


Mark

[Newscaster]

So, you would be mad at your son of he killed someone????? Thats amazing. I would be crushed not only that I had not taught my son better than that, but I would also be crushed for the tragedy that the victim's family now must go thru. You didnt mention the family of the victim at all. It was all me me me and mine. You would not want your son punished on and on and on. Thats very nice but what about your son's victim? He's dead and will remain dead on and on and on.

I have a really problem with people who believe they can do wrong and then be forgiven, just like that...poof.....you are off the hook. If God is that benificent, thats whats all that business with hell, purgatory, lakes of fire, demons and devils. If all you have to do is say.....whoops, I'm sorry, to be forgiven, seems like avoiding hell would be a cinch. Just say you are sorry and go on your way. You believe this because there is the idea that a sin is a sin. That jaywalking is just as much a sin as murder and that you can be forgiven for all past, present and future sins.

Wow, thats a good deal. [/font]

[MAP2010.wireless]

So, you would be mad at your son of he killed someone????? Thats amazing. I would be crushed not only that I had not taught my son better than that, but I would also be crushed for the tragedy that the victim's family now must go thru. You didnt mention the family of the victim at all. It was all me me me and mine. You would not want your son punished on and on and on. Thats very nice but what about your son's victim? He's dead and will remain dead on and on and on.

I have a really problem with people who believe they can do wrong and then be forgiven, just like that...poof.....you are off the hook. If God is that benificent, thats whats all that business with hell, purgatory, lakes of fire, demons and devils. If all you have to do is say.....whoops, I'm sorry, to be forgiven, seems like avoiding hell would be a cinch. Just say you are sorry and go on your way. You believe this because there is the idea that a sin is a sin. That jaywalking is just as much a sin as murder and that you can be forgiven for all past, present and future sins.

Wow, thats a good deal. [/font]


I would feel the same if it was your Son, I would not want any one to goto Hell. We are all sinners, none of us are without sin

When Christ was on the Cross he saved a Men who ask him to.
Christ will save any one who asks him.

Mark

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Newscaster dude, you have forgotten I have knowledge on loan from Gawd.
2. Heaven is kinda like a glass city, but its not glass, more like crystal.
3. Out away from, Gawd City/ Heaven, there are rolling plains.
4. No one is older than 49 years of age.
5. Be assured if you do better with your life Newscaster, you could go there after you die.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Newscaster dude, you have forgotten I have knowledge on loan from Gawd.
2. Heaven is kinda like a glass city, but its not glass, more like crystal.
3. Out away from, Gawd City/ Heaven, there are rolling plains.
4. No one is older than 49 years of age.
5. Be assured if you do better with your life Newscaster, you could go there after you die.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


hahahahahahaha- are you talking about Narnia, what is with the 49 yr olds?

[Elrathin]

1. But Newscaster dude, you have forgotten I have knowledge on loan from Gawd.


Anyone who believes they somehow have knowledge on loan from god has about as much credibility as the guy down the street with booze screaming that he is Jesus and wants you to give him all your money.

Those that hear voices in their head should seek psycological help IMMEDIATELY and get commited.

[CheesyMuslim]

[Those that hear voices in their head should seek psycological help IMMEDIATELY and get commited.


Sorry bout that,

1. But LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. If anyone here needs to get committed its you.
3. You are your worst enemy.
4. Errr,...... good luck with that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Sorry bout that,

1. But LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. If anyone here needs to get committed its you.
3. You are your worst enemy.
4. Errr,...... good luck with that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Yet another personal attack by Chess, not suprised.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I get and I give.
2. Get used to it.
3. It comes with the territory.
4. Don't whine and cry about it.
5. Oh Chess is attacking me!!!!
6. Like your not attacking me. lol!!!!!!!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

Sorry bout that,

1. But LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. If anyone here needs to get committed its you.
3. You are your worst enemy.
4. Errr,...... good luck with that.
[/quote]

I believe you are the one who said that there is no one older than 49 in heaven (where you referring to the ladies:-)

[Elrathin]

6. Like your not attacking me. lol!!!!!!!


I'm not, where did I insult you specifically? You specifically said something about me. The fact you don't understand that is not suprising.

[dgridley]

Hm, and who says we're not "dead" already? ;)

[Newscaster]

Chess, I knew that one day you were goiing to totally destroy whatever credibility you might have left. And if I lead my life better, I might make it into heaven. Now, I suspect you consider yourself the gatekeeper, pearly variety. Chess, dont kid yourself kiddo. You have no special knowledge from, as you put it, GAWD. I guess that bit of arrogence comes from the same place as that name you use....St James of Texas.
Insatead of worrying about my chances to gt into a place I am not at all sure exists, I suggest you worry about how you do on your personal entrance exam.

[MAP2010.wireless]

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Chess, I knew that one day you were goiing to totally destroy whatever credibility you might have left. And if I lead my life better, I might make it into heaven. Now, I suspect you consider yourself the gatekeeper, pearly variety. Chess, dont kid yourself kiddo. You have no special knowledge from, as you put it, GAWD. I guess that bit of arrogence comes from the same place as that name you use....St James of Texas.
Insatead of worrying about my chances to gt into a place I am not at all sure exists, I suggest you worry about how you do on your personal entrance exam.


Many say that God talks to them, Some mean that they hear the calling of the Lord. This is not a voice its a stong felling inside, or the words in the Bible that show you the path you should take. You can feel stong in a dream that makes you do something, there are many ways you can Hear the Calling of the Lord. If I told you about the grace of God and all he will do for you, you would be hearing the word of God. God would not be telling me what to say, he would not be speak out load to me. But in his word we find truth, with this Truth we we know what we should do.

I wish all will find peace after Life.

Why would I wish anyone to suffer Hell?

Mark

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But anyone can get into heaven, that's the breaks.
2. And El, just know if you attack, it will come back at you.
3, Don't act innocent bud.
4. Try to be civil, then this won't happen.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

MAP2010, you seem to be so certain you will get into heaven. I hope you are right but I do have to ask one question and I hope you are man enough to answer it.
Aside from praying, and being born again and seeking absolution for your sins, what actually have you done to qualify for entrance thru the gates? I mean specifically, what have you done that "GAWD" has already decided you are a shoo in.

[MAP2010.wireless]

MAP2010, you seem to be so certain you will get into heaven. I hope you are right but I do have to ask one question and I hope you are man enough to answer it.
Aside from praying, and being born again and seeking absolution for your sins, what actually have you done to qualify for entrance thru the gates? I mean specifically, what have you done that "GAWD" has already decided you are a shoo in.


No Works can get you into Heaven, If not by grace I would not be able to enter into Heaven. All are sinners, I am a Sinner without Jesus I would be lost. "So I have done nothing that could get me into Heaven", only that I asked God to save me. And I call Him GOD, not gawd.

Thanks

Mark

[Newscaster]

According to the Bible, you gotta do something. This idea that good works dont get you into heaven. If that were the case, no one would do anything snf we would all really go to hell. No my friend, those people who are classified as a shoo in for heaven, have all done something to be considered a candidate. Mother Theresa didnt just sit around doing nothing but pray. Jesus, if you believe in him, didnt just walk around chatting with God. He did things. God gave man the ability to do all sorts of things, create beauty, defend the weak, provide for the poor, teach the uneducated, build things and the list goes on. Why would God bestow such talents on people if he did not require them to DO SOMETHING. And it stands to reason that the more you use God's gifts, the more he likes it. I am sure that God looks at someone who does nothing but thinks that his piety is enough and considers him a lazy suckup. And that is not going to get you very far. And as a matter of fact, I believe that God does NOT require hallelujahs from you every five minutes. I am sure he would much rather see you roll up your sleeves and get to work improving the lives of people around you.

[Elrathin]

Sorry bout that,

1. But anyone can get into heaven, that's the breaks.
2. And El, just know if you attack, it will come back at you.
3, Don't act innocent bud.
4. Try to be civil, then this won't happen.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


You attack gays all the time. Why don't you practice what you preach and stop attacking them then?

[askates]

he doesnt look at gay people as humans, homophobes with homosexual tendencies never do

[MAP2010.wireless]

According to the Bible, you gotta do something. This idea that good works dont get you into heaven. If that were the case, no one would do anything snf we would all really go to hell. No my friend, those people who are classified as a shoo in for heaven, have all done something to be considered a candidate. Mother Theresa didnt just sit around doing nothing but pray. Jesus, if you believe in him, didnt just walk around chatting with God. He did things. God gave man the ability to do all sorts of things, create beauty, defend the weak, provide for the poor, teach the uneducated, build things and the list goes on. Why would God bestow such talents on people if he did not require them to DO SOMETHING. And it stands to reason that the more you use God's gifts, the more he likes it. I am sure that God looks at someone who does nothing but thinks that his piety is enough and considers him a lazy suckup. And that is not going to get you very far. And as a matter of fact, I believe that God does NOT require hallelujahs from you every five minutes. I am sure he would much rather see you roll up your sleeves and get to work improving the lives of people around you.


You could build a 1000 houses and feed the sick but without GOD's Grace you would not see Heaven.

I am saved by grace along, only if you walk away from God will you not be saved.

You think you know me but you don't, I never said I knew forsure I would goto Heaven. You must have read that in your mind.

Mark

"While the truth I have just stated is simple enough, our fleshly mind rebels at the idea of righteousness being imputed apart from the law (Romans 3:21, Proverbs 14:12). To the sin-defiled mind, the idea that sinners inherit eternal life, while those who seek righteousness by the law are shut out, is repulsive. Works righteousness seems so reasonable that all false religions teach it, yet it is totally wrong (Proverbs 16:25, Jeremiah 17:9, John 1:47, Romans 9:30-10:4). The world simply fails to understand one key fact, namely that God?s standard of righteousness is so high, and so holy, that "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags," and "there is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10, Isaiah 64:6, 1 Timothy 1:15).

In contrast to the world?s way of thinking, God?s Word assures us that it is "the blood of Jesus Christ," rather than what we do, that "cleanses us from all sin" (1 John 1:7, Revelation 5:9, and 7:14). Furthermore, we have God?s own promise that "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9). Moreover, when He cleanses us of sin, His forgiveness is so complete, and so perfect, that it makes us totally righteous in His sight (Romans 5:19, 10:4). And that righteousness, is the "righteousness of faith" (Romans 4:13). As it is written, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6). As long as we walk in that righteousness God sees no sin in us, for unless we reject righteousness by willfully doing evil, no sin is imputed to us (Romans 8:1,33, Romans 4:1-8, Hebrews 10:26, 1 Kings 15:5)."

[MAP2010.wireless]

he doesnt look at gay people as humans, homophobes with homosexual tendencies never do


I just wanted to point this out, I do respect you in you Choice. I do not agree, I do not like it. But I think you should have the right to make that choice.

Mark

[Elrathin]

I just wante to point this out, I do respect you in you Choice. I do not agree, I do not like it. But I think you should have the right to make that choice.


The thing of it is MAP, in regards to gay marriage, (Much like people being gay), noone is asking you to like it, think it is right, or even agree to it, only make it a legal choice. You yourself said you have a different idea of marriage than the state does anyways.

I think the main misconception of gay marriage is that people think if gay marriage is legalized the state is saying it is right or that it is a correct choice. That is incorrect, the state is merely saying that it is a choice. Not whether it is right or wrong.

There is a lot of things that are legal that aren't necessarily right, but they are a choice. Pornography, alcoholism, etc. These are a choice, but not necessarily a right one to some people.

This is a country based on freedoms and choices of a diverse people. Christians should NOT have the deciding dictation of whether something is right or wrong IMO based on their religion. We are not a theocracy. I say this to all religions and also to atheism as well.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I just wante to point this out, I do respect you in you Choice. I do not agree, I do not like it. But I think you should have the right to make that choice.


The thing of it is MAP, in regards to gay marriage, (Much like people being gay), noone is asking you to like it, think it is right, or even agree to it, only make it a legal choice.Â*Â*You yourself said you have a different idea of marriage than the state does anyways.

I think the main misconception of gay marriage is that people think if gay marriage is legalized the state is saying it is right or that it is a correct choice.Â*Â*That is incorrect, the state is merely saying that it is a choice.Â*Â*Not whether it is right or wrong.

There is a lot of things that are legal that aren't necessarily right, but they are a choice.Â*Â*Pornography, alcoholism, etc.Â*Â*These are a choice, but not necessarily a right one to some people.

This is a country based on freedoms and choices of a diverse people.Â*Â*Christians should NOT have the deciding dictation of whether something is right or wrong IMO based on their religion.Â*Â*We are not a theocracy.Â*Â*I say this to all religions and also to atheism as well.


Maybe your right, I do not feel it should be based on what I think.
Freedom and the right to make that choice.

[piratemonkey]

You could build a 1000 houses and feed the sick but without GOD's Grace you would not see Heaven.

I am saved by grace along, only if you walk away from God will you not be saved.


I love this version of Christian Ethics.

I will go to heaven because I believe in Jesus.Â*Â*It doesn't matter what I do in life, only that belief is necessary.

So I could commit disgusting acts upon your fellow human being and you could do nothing but help the poor, yet I will go to heaven and you won't, simply because of belief in Jesus?

Does that sound like a Just God to you?

Or does that sound like Extremely Convenient Theology for those that are regularly immoral?

[MAP2010.wireless]

You could build a 1000 houses and feed the sick but without GOD's Grace you would not see Heaven.

I am saved by grace along, only if you walk away from God will you not be saved.


I love this version of Christian Ethics.

I will go to heaven because I believe in Jesus.Â*Â*It doesn't matter what I do in life, only that belief is necessary.

So I could commit disgusting acts upon your fellow human being and you could do nothing but help the poor, yet I will go to heaven and you won't, simply because of belief in Jesus?

Does that sound like a Just God to you?

Or does that sound like Extremely Convenient Theology for those that are regularly immoral?


You are the one who think you are better then everyone, you think if you work hard you will be saved. And if you slip you and fall after you have sinned your going to hell. All sins are the some in Gods eyes.

If you think you are without sin your wrong, Only Christ Jesus is without sin.

Mark

[Newscaster]

You could build a 1000 houses and feed the sick but without GOD's Grace you would not see Heaven.

I am saved by grace along, only if you walk away from God will you not be saved.


I love this version of Christian Ethics.

I will go to heaven because I believe in Jesus.Â*Â*It doesn't matter what I do in life, only that belief is necessary.

So I could commit disgusting acts upon your fellow human being and you could do nothing but help the poor, yet I will go to heaven and you won't, simply because of belief in Jesus?

Does that sound like a Just God to you?

Or does that sound like Extremely Convenient Theology for those that are regularly immoral?


You are the one who think you are better then everyone, you think if you work hard you will be saved. And if you slip you and fall after you have sinned your going to hell. All sins are the some in Gods eyes.

If you think you are without sin your wrong, Only Christ Jesus is without sin.

Mark

[MAP2010.wireless]

You could build a 1000 houses and feed the sick but without GOD's Grace you would not see Heaven.

I am saved by grace along, only if you walk away from God will you not be saved.


I love this version of Christian Ethics.

I will go to heaven because I believe in Jesus.Â*Â*It doesn't matter what I do in life, only that belief is necessary.

So I could commit disgusting acts upon your fellow human being and you could do nothing but help the poor, yet I will go to heaven and you won't, simply because of belief in Jesus?

Does that sound like a Just God to you?

Or does that sound like Extremely Convenient Theology for those that are regularly immoral?


You are the one who think you are better then everyone, you think if you work hard you will be saved. And if you slip you and fall after you have sinned your going to hell. All sins are the some in Gods eyes.

If you think you are without sin your wrong, Only Christ Jesus is without sin.

Mark



"You are the one who think you are better then everyone, you think if you work hard you will be saved. And if you slip you and fall after you have sinned your going to hell. All sins are the some in Gods eyes.

If you think you are without sin your wrong, Only Christ Jesus is without sin."


Yep thats what I said.

[AlonzoMourning23]

According to the Bible, you gotta do something. This idea that good works dont get you into heaven. If that were the case, no one would do anything snf we would all really go to hell. No my friend, those people who are classified as a shoo in for heaven, have all done something to be considered a candidate. Mother Theresa didnt just sit around doing nothing but pray. Jesus, if you believe in him, didnt just walk around chatting with God. He did things. God gave man the ability to do all sorts of things, create beauty, defend the weak, provide for the poor, teach the uneducated, build things and the list goes on. Why would God bestow such talents on people if he did not require them to DO SOMETHING. And it stands to reason that the more you use God's gifts, the more he likes it. I am sure that God looks at someone who does nothing but thinks that his piety is enough and considers him a lazy suckup. And that is not going to get you very far. And as a matter of fact, I believe that God does NOT require hallelujahs from you every five minutes. I am sure he would much rather see you roll up your sleeves and get to work improving the lives of people around you.


You could build a 1000 houses and feed the sick but without GOD's Grace you would not see Heaven.

I am saved by grace along, only if you walk away from God will you not be saved.

You think you know me but you don't, I never said I knew forsure I would goto Heaven. You must have read that in your mind.

Mark

"While the truth I have just stated is simple enough, our fleshly mind rebels at the idea of righteousness being imputed apart from the law (Romans 3:21, Proverbs 14:12). To the sin-defiled mind, the idea that sinners inherit eternal life, while those who seek righteousness by the law are shut out, is repulsive. Works righteousness seems so reasonable that all false religions teach it, yet it is totally wrong (Proverbs 16:25, Jeremiah 17:9, John 1:47, Romans 9:30-10:4). The world simply fails to understand one key fact, namely that God?s standard of righteousness is so high, and so holy, that "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags," and "there is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10, Isaiah 64:6, 1 Timothy 1:15).

In contrast to the world?s way of thinking, God?s Word assures us that it is "the blood of Jesus Christ," rather than what we do, that "cleanses us from all sin" (1 John 1:7, Revelation 5:9, and 7:14). Furthermore, we have God?s own promise that "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9). Moreover, when He cleanses us of sin, His forgiveness is so complete, and so perfect, that it makes us totally righteous in His sight (Romans 5:19, 10:4). And that righteousness, is the "righteousness of faith" (Romans 4:13). As it is written, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6). As long as we walk in that righteousness God sees no sin in us, for unless we reject righteousness by willfully doing evil, no sin is imputed to us (Romans 8:1,33, Romans 4:1-8, Hebrews 10:26, 1 Kings 15:5)."


Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Matthew 19:16-22

(16)And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?" (17) "And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments." (18) "He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness," (19) "Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (20) "The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet?" (21) "Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me."

Luke 19:7-10

7All the people saw this and began to mutter, "He has gone to be the guest of a 'sinner.' "

8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."

9Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."

Luke 7:44-48

44Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little." 48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."


If you want to disregard good works, then you are disregarding Jesus' words according to the gospel. While faith and good works are important, all the faith in the world will be for naught if your actions have not reflected them. That's what Jesus taught, according to the gospels.

[Newscaster]

MAP2010, If I build those ten thousand homes you mention and provide shelter for 50 thousand people and you sit around your house saying "I believe!" over and over, do you really think God will select you over me. You sit there and pray all for the benefit of you while I sweat and strain for the benefit of my fellow man.....do you really believe God will consider you a real cool guy?
There is an old saying...."Talk is cheap!" I could sit there are pray to be allowed into heaven but unless I consider the welfare pof my neighbor, my words dont mean a thing. And unless I do something for my neighbor, they mean even less.

Religion, I believe, as practiced by far too many people, is a matter of self interest and how much money that I may seriously need, can the evangelist rip from my wallet.

Remember when Cain asks God, "Am I my brothers keeper?" God indicates that yes you are and if your brother needs you, you better be there. And I never got the memo that God had changed his mind about that.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I am sure Mark does plenty of good works.
2. And Mark does know well that its not the works that make Gawd well pleased. but faith and trust in Him that is the real work.
3. Doing good works is just a by-product of faith, it comes with it, as an extra dividend.
4. But its not of mans spirit, its what comes from sharing in Gawds Spirit, for those who learn of Gawd, are partakers of a measure of His Spirit.
5. These are some of the finer tuned points of learning what it means to be a Christian.
6. I think this attack on Mark is uncalled for.
7. Mark's views on this topic have been dead on correct I might add.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Professor]

Its rather pointless to say you believe in Life After Death. Pointless in that no one, and that includes Jesus, has come back to explain what happens after you breath your last.


This is the prime reason I think no one is qualified to tell others what happens after we die. No one knows. Despite what some may think, they don't have special knowledge from higher powers.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But some do have special knowledge.
2. I being one.
3. There is life after death.
4. And it would be advisable to believe this.
5. To some it will be a wonderful life.
6. For others not.
7. Look around this world, and choose those things that will get you the wonderful afterlife.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Jets]

I too believe in life after death as in Heaven or hell.

I believe in God as well, and i think he is a supreme being, and we will be punished for what we did bad on this earth. I also think that afterlife is alot better than the life we are having today, so it is good for us to do good deeds and help others out.

Good works do not save, we are saved by faith and that alone

[Elrathin]

1. But some do have special knowledge.
2. I being one.


Care to share how YOU have special knowledge but noone else does? Or is it just that vanity thing again?

[Newscaster]

When you stop to consider, if indeed you do consider it, an awful lot of people have lived on this earth since the very first man, Adam or otherwise. If there is something afyer death, thn we can safely assume that the souls of alllllllll those people are now in heaven or whatever.
Now, I for one am not a fan of huge crowds. They are smelly, sweaty, noisy and usually quite unruly. Thi is not the kind of situation that I would look forward to spending eternity in. Would you? All these billions upon billions of souls would speak foreign languages and I was lucky to make it thru High School Spanish. Their habits would be foreign to me and I certainly woul have no clue who most of them are or were. And if there is politics in heaven, chances are we would be in differing parties. And if you think we have religious intolerance today, try to imagine it with the souls of absolutely everyone, including every KU Klux Klansman who ever lived but somehow made it into heaven.
My guess is this..........I have no clue what if anything comes after death. It may be nothing, and that might be a refreshing change. It may be something and that could range from unbelievably wonderful to incredibly horrible. So, what you do is this....lead the best life you can now so that if there is a choice later, you are in a position to choose the best. And stop worrying.

[Jets]

NewsCaster, not trying to start a fight but you are dead wrong, either you believe or dont. The only choice is faith. nobody does the right thing all the time. GOOD PEOPLE DONT GO TO HEAVEN-----------faith= when every thing is going wrong you stop, and know, that God has control and has your best interest.

[Danoz]

The thing that gets me really annoyed with the whole life after death argument is that people just believe in it because it's a comfortable thing to do. 95% of America believes in god or something else supernatural. This is plain stupidity because the magority, if questioned would have absolutely no basis for thier answer. So much for the age of reason.

[BoogyMan]

The thing that gets me really annoyed with the whole life after death argument is that people just believe in it because it's a comfortable thing to do. 95% of America believes in god or something else supernatural. This is plain stupidity because the magority, if questioned would have absolutely no basis for thier answer. So much for the age of reason.

Danoz, what you are missing in this line of argumentation is that those of faith have a right to believe and do so based on the promises made by God in the bible. As for your stupidity comment, I can assure you, those of faith feel the same way about people who adhere to your line of thought.

[Newscaster]

I will say it again.....most people believe that live does not end with death but that you leave your body and go on to something labeled "a better place". Now, again, nobody has seen this better place nor do they know where it is or anything specific about it. But everyone has an opinion.
Now you can call me wrong or right. It really doesnt matter. People want and need some assurance that it all does just not stop and you fade to black nothingness. They cant handle the concept of nothingness just as the human mind cannot grasp the concept of space going on and on without end. They need boundaries which act as a mental coccoon sealing us safely inside and that all will be the same as it was before we died. Thats a nice thing to contemplate but since no one, not even Chesswarsnow, can prove it, why get all het up about it. Just sit back, relax, be a good guy and see what happens next.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But who says I can't prove it?
2. Maybe I can?
3. Maybe I won't thou.
4. Maybe if I did, I would crossing a threshold that I shouldn't cross?
5. Maybe if you knew, and others I showed knew, you would kill yourself to get there.
6. But what if you were supposed to do something first, and you didn't do it and killed yourself instead?
7. And the thing you were supposed to do, didn't get done, and that screwed other things up, because you died to soon?
8. And this creates a moral crack in the fabric of time.
9. And other suffer because you died to soon.
10. And it would all be traced back to me, who proved something that I shouldn't of.
11. But some others got all happy about death and dieing and killed themselves, but didn't get right beforehand, and ended up in hell.
12. So its a scary thing to prove * Life After Death *.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I will start a New Thread on what a * Good Life * looks like.
2. And describe what a really * Good Life * means.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Danoz]

2. Maybe I can?
3. Maybe I won't thou.


Maybe you should prove that you're not a 3rd grader.

Honestly, you drag your religion's name through the mud every time your open your mouth.

[Danoz]

The thing that gets me really annoyed with the whole life after death argument is that people just believe in it because it's a comfortable thing to do. 95% of America believes in god or something else supernatural. This is plain stupidity because the magority, if questioned would have absolutely no basis for thier answer. So much for the age of reason.

Danoz, what you are missing in this line of argumentation is that those of faith have a right to believe and do so based on the promises made by God in the bible. As for your stupidity comment, I can assure you, those of faith feel the same way about people who adhere to your line of thought.


And to those that strongly disbelieve without considering the other side I fervently pass the same judgement.

You're an idiot in my book if you just believe or disbelieve for the sake of it. Either be agnostic and aim to find out either way what the truth is, or shut the heck up - you're just confusing the impressionable people around you who are actually serious about reality (and I include religious people there too)

I also believe that those that have faith have to right to do so. Of course they do - that's a key principle of democracy. Whether or not that is admirable or not is a completely differnent thing altogether. I have the right to believe that Jews are evil and should have been wiped out during the holocaust, but I'd be wrong, and you'd agree that I'd certainly not be very virtuous for doing so.

[Elrathin]

1. But who says I can't prove it?


I do because you can't prove it and if you could, you would have already done so. So save the "crossing the threshold you shouldn't cross" for some old lady that you can con money off of like an evangelist cause I ain't buying.

And no, I am not saying you con old ladies, only using that analogy because it sounds exactly like those con artists on the cable channel late at night that say "give me money and you'll be saved" even though when confronted they can't prove a damn thing.

[Elrathin]

Danoz, what you are missing in this line of argumentation is that those of faith have a right to believe and do so based on the promises made by God in the bible.


I have no problem with belief or faith until someone says that their religion is the correct one and we should be forced to live our lives according to THEIR religion.

This is not limited to Christianity alone, but to religion in general (or even atheism) when you get a few self-righteous people that think they are right and everyone should be forced to live their lives according to their religion (or lack of).

[CheesyMuslim]

Maybe you should prove that you're not a 3rd grader.

Honestly, you drag your religion's name through the mud every time your open your mouth.


Sorry bout that,

1. But my hissy fit detector, just went off.
2. Seems weÂ*Â*got a sceptic.
3. Maybe some people better pray like hell there is no hell.
4. And of course, invest in asbestos underwear, to be on the safe side.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Sorry bout that,

1. But my hissy fit detector, just went off.
2. Seems we got a sceptic.
3. Maybe some people better pray like hell there is no hell.
4. And of course, invest in asbestos underwear, to be on the safe side.


And maybe the real religion is the Muslim religion (or some other religion besides Christianity) and then you'll go to some hell yourself for not believing. That would be ironic.

Spend your entire life worshiping some religion and then at the end still go to hell because it was the wrong one. I think it may be you that may need asbestos underwear to be on the safe side as well.

[lily]

1. But who says I can't prove it?


I do because you can't prove it and if you could, you would have already done so.Â*Â*

Truthiness???

[BoogyMan]

Belief is embodied in faith. Consider the following:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Proof has been asked for, but to demand proof shows a misunderstanding of the idea of faith.

[Elrathin]

Proof has been asked for, but to demand proof shows a misunderstanding of the idea of faith.


Boogy you're smart to know that if someone says you need to follow a law because some religious text says so, many people that do not follow that religious are gonna ask for proof.

Again, faith and belief aren't the problem, it is when you tell me I have to follow a law because the bible says so. (And that goes for any religious text)