Regarding Mohammed and Islam

By: PatrickHenry
January 8th, 2015
12:17 pm

I want to tread carefully here, and avoid overstepping forum boundaries.

But I have a proposal I think is worthy of debate.

We are all aware of the Paris murders at Charlie Hebdo...and their relation to the satire towards Islam.

Other violence has been done previously in many instances towards those who fail to exhibit proper respect to the Muslim icons of Koran, Mohammed etc.

And I don't denigrate those who find solace in Islam as a "religion of peace"

BUT...

I think we as a civilization need to begin a systematic program of desensitization on these issues

and go forward full force in every venue to voice our complete DISRESPECT and utter hatred of Islam, the Koran, Mohammed etc.

Not because we actually hate them, but so that radical Muslims will become used to such statements and cease their violence;

since the wave of disrespect will become too much to respond to.

I hope I haven't violated forum rules by raising this proposal.

But I am serious and I think it may be a method of pushing back against the "walking on eggshells" approach to Muslim violence towards those who find fault or satire in that faith.

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117 comments on "Regarding Mohammed and Islam"

  • lily
    January 8, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    I don't see what yelling and calling names is going to accomplish?

    Our "problems" with "radical Muslims" started with Israel, which then led to 911, which then led to the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. We're no longer dealing with the same people, we are now dealing with the children and the product of what we started.

    Now before my words get twisted and I am called a terrorist supporter, I am NOT condoning the violence, but I also don't see what a systematic program of desensitization is going to accomplish?

  • PatrickHenry
    January 8, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    Well sorta like turning on a light in a dark room at first is painful and blinds a person, and then we bcome "used to it" and it is normal.

    Desensitizing Muslims to disrespect could begin the process of quelling the violence we observe from the "religion of peace."

  • Lady Marva
    January 8, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    Originally Posted by lily

    Our "problems" with "radical Muslims" started with Israel, which then led to 911, which then led to the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. We're no longer dealing with the same people, we are now dealing with the children and the product of what we started.
    REALLY??????? You have ANY documentation on that? What exactly occurred? What are your details? Where and when did these events take place? Who was involved?

  • Lady Marva
    January 8, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    Originally Posted by PatrickHenry
    Well sorta like turning on a light in a dark room at first is painful and blinds a person, and then we bcome "used to it" and it is normal.

    Desensitizing Muslims to disrespect could begin the process of quelling the violence we observe from the "religion of peace."
    Trouble is, there'd be too many deaths before the sensitizing is de'd. And too much uprisings, rioting, car burnings, in places like France, England, Pakistan, Belgium. And it would spread as the young men who want their virgins rush to join in.

  • Norm dePlume
    January 8, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    It hasn't made truthers any less sensitive as far as I can tell.

  • sokpupet
    January 8, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    The majority of Muslims who are peaceful should rise up against the ones who are the radicals of that religion and self govern/police. As lily said, which bears repeating, Muslims/The Koran/Mohammed, etc. are not the guilty parties, and to use them as a target for "desensitization" is inappropriate to the nth.

  • Seraph
    January 8, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    How about we target ALL religious zealots for "desensitizing?" Why discriminate and act like Muslims have the market cornered on religious-justified stupidity and violence?

  • Corodon
    January 8, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Originally Posted by lily
    I don't see what yelling and calling names is going to accomplish?

    Our "problems" with "radical Muslims" started with Israel, which then led to 911, which then led to the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. We're no longer dealing with the same people, we are now dealing with the children and the product of what we started.

    Now before my words get twisted and I am called a terrorist supporter, I am NOT condoning the violence, but I also don't see what a systematic program of desensitization is going to accomplish?
    I don't believe that at all, but digging up the roots of this mess is no easy challenge for any hypothesis.

    Meanwhile, I'm more sympathetic to PH's view than to the idea that we must not name the faith of the offenders.

    I strongly suspect suppressing language in such a way is a guarantee to cultivate cynicism and hatred.

    It's not necessary to hate Muslims to hate violent Muslims, but we certainly can't fight the growing reality of extremist Islamic violence if we pretend it's just outbreaks of "man-caused disasters" and "workplace violence."

  • Corodon
    January 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    Originally Posted by Seraph
    How about we target ALL religious zealots for "desensitizing?" Why discriminate and act like Muslims have the market cornered on religious-justified stupidity and violence?
    What zealots are protected by guarded speech other than Muslims, Seraph?

  • Corodon
    January 8, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    Originally Posted by PatrickHenry

    I think we as a civilization need to begin a systematic program of desensitization on these issues

    and go forward full force in every venue to voice our complete DISRESPECT and utter hatred of Islam, the Koran, Mohammed etc.
    See, that's where you and I part company. It's not necessary to hate Muslims to hate Muslim terrorists. Most Muslims like anyone else grow up with the faith of their parents and communities, and want simply to live their lives in tranquil security.

    That said, we are quite far down a very bad road of censored speech. Black comedians can sprinkle their routines with the n-word; everyone else has to say "n-word."

    If I understand you right, your suggestion is to let nonviolent Muslims know that they will be smeared with the hate the terrorists have earned unless they act forcefully to counter it. I'm not ready for that. I'd settle for a break in the PC dam such that we could call Islamic terrorism by the faith it itself claims.



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